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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396  
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According to initial reports started by a Land Rover........ May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful.
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31st Dec 2017 10:44pm |
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| apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547 
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..be interesting to know if there are any Defenders helping out with the appeal for transport help.
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1st Jan 2018 12:23am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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Seems was all started by a Range Rover P38 series suddenly bursting in flames.
 Click image to enlarge The poor white Eewok just to its left must have been the first to follow suit... Click image to enlarge Possibly there were some Defenders in there too at the time, the parking's height restriction of 2.1 meter would allow that. Hope nobody on here. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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1st Jan 2018 6:00am |
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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396
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Over a thousand cars destroyed according to BBC news this morning
At 20k a car that’s £20m...... & no one died. Amazing. May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful. |
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1st Jan 2018 8:39am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2530 
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Glad to see that all members of the public, fire fighters, other emergency service personnel, horses and grooms were safe. Defender 90XS SW
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1st Jan 2018 9:06am |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069
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What a waste, how easy would it have been to have sprinklers installed, instead the whole structure will be taken down and possibly rebuilt, when will the accountants learn ?
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1st Jan 2018 9:25am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3511 
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In a multi-storey car park it would have been simple to install sprinklers at the time of construction, and some of the newer car parks near where we live have them fitted. It's not as if car fires are unknown?
Just be thankful we are not looking at multiple casualties. The melted cars are irrelevant in human terms. Yes bpman, I believe the accountant teams call it 'value engineering'. This is a widespread problem in construction in the UK. I wonder what the insurance companies will make of this? |
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1st Jan 2018 9:50am |
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| Lightningtweeds Member Since: 16 May 2017 Location: Fintry Posts: 461  
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My local hospital has no sprinkkers but if you open up a high street store it's a requirement.
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1st Jan 2018 9:51am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3511
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Sprinklers are both a capital and operational expenditure. The stuff that accountants and fund holders hate.
They cost money to put in. They also need to be regularly maintained as they are a 'life system' (same as a Fire Alarm or Emergency Lighting) and they are also susceptible to vandalism. Whether they are fitted depends on building regulations, the fire policy for the building (how it is constructed - materials, fire zones, doors, fire shutters etc) and licensing requirements. There may also be a requirement by the insurers who may not underwrite certain buildings unless they are protected. As for insurance, if this building has been a total loss, we may find the insurance industry will now drive the fitting of sprinklers? |
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1st Jan 2018 10:13am |
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| Albion Member Since: 08 Dec 2014 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 141 
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What is inexplicable, is that clearly the fire was discovered at a very early stage, as per the photo’s, why was it not able to be contained at that point in time, similar to a roadside fire, before it spread? Is the policy not to, as there are health and safety implications due to explosion risk?
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1st Jan 2018 11:40am |
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| mrd1990 Member Since: 16 Aug 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 600  
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It's socking how few people carry fire extinguishers in their car..
And if you had one to hand, you'd be stupid to go anywhere near a burning P38 given how many have LPG. Last edited by mrd1990 on 1st Jan 2018 12:19pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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1st Jan 2018 12:14pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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Never seen a multi-story car park with a sprinkler system anywhere. Would be prohibitively expensive as you talk about gasoline and diesel fuels here. Water only won't be good enough, would have to be a pressurized foam sprinkling system that could cover the car park fully under high pressure for a certain number of minutes. It surely would be prohibitively expensive to install that in a car park, it would require a very expensive pumping station and IT system to be effective. I know what these foam sprinkler systems cost in our factories, very heavy capex and ongoing opex. A sprinkler system also would require at least 25 to 30 cm additional height of the building floors, also not for free. And then the sprinklers would still be so close to the car roofs that you would need a huge number of sprinklers to be able to properly cover the problem areas with foam. It all would just not work. The only solution could have come from Liverpool fire brigade getting there faster than they probably did, and then still with sufficient foam fire fighting equipment. Eric As an example, here is part of such a foam producing and pumping station to supply a large sprinkler system (not one of ours). I think this one here would not even be large enough for a 1600 cars parking. Additionally you need to install on site at least a 1000 or 2000 cubm water tank to supply the sprinkler system with foam or water under enough pressure for just 90 seconds or so. City water pressure and possible flow rates just won't work. Click image to enlarge You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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1st Jan 2018 12:16pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3511
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That's a fair comment. I had never thought of that. I believe fire fighting equipment is only there to facilitate an escape and only very small fires are to be tackled by Joe Public. As I said previously, as long as no one is seriously hurt and no one is laying in a morgue that is the main thing. The rest of it is just material stuff. |
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1st Jan 2018 1:01pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7906 
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Having seen a car go up in a fire, it is scary how quickly a small fire turns in to an inferno. Small fire extinguishers are unlikely to have much of an effect. Just glad no one was hurt. James
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1st Jan 2018 3:48pm |
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