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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7908   
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I looked at the BFG website to see if I could answer your question, but with no joy.
However, I looked at the label for BFG KM2 255x85R16 and they seem to carry an A rating for both fuel efficiency and wet handling and quiet Dba.... that can't be right, can it??  Click image to enlarge James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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10th Nov 2017 4:03pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8152  
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i dont recall the MTs ever having the snowflake symbol. off to check now though, memory not like it was! Cheers
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10th Nov 2017 4:12pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3384
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It's only the KO2s that are winter rated.
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10th Nov 2017 4:16pm |
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| churchy Member Since: 28 Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 237 
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Ko2 is the all terrain right?
Maybe I am wrong but I am convinced my old tyres had m&s marked on them......... |
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10th Nov 2017 4:36pm |
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| churchy Member Since: 28 Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 237
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Took some late night googling but here is the proof - found quite a few photos where they are clearly marked however agreed not with snowflake. Might have to zoom a little. There are better pictures agreed but it's just above the a of terrain.
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11th Nov 2017 7:53am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Having the letters M&S is not the same as having the Mountain/Snowflake symbols. Only the latter means winter rated. Darren
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11th Nov 2017 8:03am |
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| churchy Member Since: 28 Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 237
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Fully appreciate that but then what's the point of having it marked or not marked as the case may be!? At least I've proved my memory is not quite gone!
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11th Nov 2017 8:09am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
The severe service winter tire designation looks like a peaked mountain with a snowflake in the middle. When you see a tire with the mountain snowflake pictograph on the sidewall, you know it meets specific snow traction performance requirements set by the Rubber Association of Canada.
A sidewall mark of M+S (or M/S, M&S, MS) means that you have an all-season tire that has been approved for use in mud and snow by the Rubber Manufacturer's Association (RMA). These tires will provide traction in light snow, but we wouldn't want to be caught in a blizzard with a set of M+S tires. |
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11th Nov 2017 8:30am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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They just mean different things. M&S stands for Mud and Snow and indicates an open tread that will work well with those sorts of loose surface. The Mountain/Snowflake symbol indicates that the tyre is good for much lower temperatures, typically below 6C, where the M&S tyre becomes less effective. There's more detail here: https://info.kaltire.com/what-is-the-winter-tire-symbol/ Edit: Sorry, I've just re-read your original post and realised what you mean. I don't know why the the KM2's aren't marked 'M&S'. Perhaps they consider it unnecessary given the obvious tread pattern. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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11th Nov 2017 8:41am |
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| churchy Member Since: 28 Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 237
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Great thanks all - only really asked because the gendarme passed me clear due to the m&s rating last year on a road to a ski station where you are required to have either chains or snow tyres. My 2p worth is that the mud terrains performed superbly in varied snow conditions last year from foot deep to compacted - maybe because I stayed with the thinner profile?
I guess BFG have removed the lettering to encourage folk down the more specific winter tyre route. |
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11th Nov 2017 8:47am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
also EU give BFG 235 85 16 AT 2 KO and older AT KO tyre with snow flack (summer rating )
 run with tyres all year and in deep snow and ice  |
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11th Nov 2017 9:28am |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443  
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When you look at the eBay shop adverts 9/10 say Summer Tyre in their descriptions of the KM2
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11th Nov 2017 10:37pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3384
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After running both ko2 and km2 thru the last few winters, I can confirm the ko2 are way better in snow and ice.
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12th Nov 2017 9:42am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20580
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I guess you could say the key is in the tyre name and type.
Snow or not I'd not swap my KM2's, they are far more use to me than an ATR in general conditions. I not longer drive in snow and ice anyway, as it's so much of a risk it's just not worth it. It doesn't matter what you are running it's a high risk especially of damage. KEEP CALM AND Drill ON 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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12th Nov 2017 10:09am |
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