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| nitram17 Member Since: 08 Jun 2014 Location: newcastle Posts: 2261  |
Hi skip how do those fit at the bottom end of the front springs?
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16th Oct 2017 5:04pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295  
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Hello nitram17
The Front and Rear Springs on a 90 are basically the same dimensions and the Isolators fit nicely... both ends. The Metal 'Collar' (seen on the left below) fits within the Spring Diameter and the Rubber Isolator Top (on right) fits into the profile of the existing Springs 'Mounts'... in all locations. 'Quality' Manufactured LR Isolators...  Click image to enlarge Front 90 Isolators Top and Bottom... Click image to enlarge Obviously by fitting both Top and Bottom you get the maximum effect these can achieve. SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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16th Oct 2017 8:22pm |
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| nitram17 Member Since: 08 Jun 2014 Location: newcastle Posts: 2261 |
Thanks skip thats very clear..i couldnt see the lip on the photos i had ....i intend to fit the alive comfort springs,but i also intend to try and get the height back by using a mix of the above isolators and probably these ...............
at the front and these https://gwynlewis4x4.co.uk/product-categor...g-spacers/ it might be a bit of trial and error as there apears to be no definitive answer to the drop in height from the alive springs and the thickness of both of the isolators mentioned aboved! martin |
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16th Oct 2017 9:45pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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Hello nitram17
Yes that combination should do it... 
I fitted the Isolators all round to mine, and then went back under the Rear and fitted 1Inch Spring Spacers from Gwyn Lewis. These too worked fine with the Isolators. I did this because the Rear of my Defender when Loaded or Towing our Caravan (with a 75KG Nose Weight) and also Fully Loaded in the Rear, just sat a touch too low for me, I wanted it near enough level when loaded and was prepared to have a slightly lifted 'stance' to the Rear under normal conditions, although now fitted it is difficult to detect, but it does 'hold up' better when 'set to work'. Gwyn Lewis Spacers Good Value, but what I really liked about these is that they look and feel 'substantial', they are probably made in small batches, and not in sufficient quantity to be jig welded (but I don't know for sure) but who ever welded the two piece construction together knows how to weld...very nicely done...  . The whole piece is then Galvanised so whilst these will disappear under Dinitrol in due course, they will be happy enough as they are for some time.
You will (ideally) need longer Securing Bolts (and some spacers) to reused the same bottom Spring 'Clamp Bar' (just visible in the photo...facing forward) I think the Bolts are provided, but I swapped these out for Stainless Steel, (which has become an additional step as I work my way through various jobs). Springs Out... and back In I don't mean to tell you how to do this, but I did mine without a Spring Compressor Tool. The Rear Springs are possible to get off uncompressed and to reassemble, including Isolators Top and Bottom so +20mm overall longer, all by just articulating the Rear Axle. The Fronts I did Compress the Springs (by lifting the Front Axle) but I then Strapped the Compressed Spring with two old Luggage Straps (with metal friction grips)...(I have photos of this if your interested). Anyway all good and I'm much happier with both the slightly improved ride characteristics (sound attenuation) and the +20mm Lift at the Front, and around 45mm Lift at the Rear. Rear 90 Click image to enlarge 1Inch Spacer
Luggage / Tie Straps (Compressed Spring Ties)
Good Luck... SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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17th Oct 2017 12:47pm |
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| nitram17 Member Since: 08 Jun 2014 Location: newcastle Posts: 2261 |
Hi skip thanks for the info .......some photos would be a great help as I never trust spring compressors.. Martin
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17th Oct 2017 3:48pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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You definitely don't need any spring compressors.
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17th Oct 2017 4:28pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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Rear Out...(I would still use the 'Tie Straps' to hold a compressed Spring in a shorter condition and therefore reduce the amount of Axle articulation required, the Rear Shock is disconnected at its base, and the Anti Roll Bar is disconnected both sides to allow the Axle to be lowered sufficiently) Click image to enlarge Rear In... Click image to enlarge Front Compressed...(notice that I left the upper and lower coils 'free' to allow the Isolators to be installed) Click image to enlarge Front Out...(I couldn't see how it was possible to remove the Front Springs without compressing them, I also didn't want to 'stress' the steering or drive components by dropping the Axle enough to try and remove an uncompressed Spring) Click image to enlarge Shock Compressed...(withdrawn and installed vertically through the engine bay, these can be compressed by hand and I 'wired mine' to hold them in this position, helping them to be bolted back in place) Click image to enlarge Front In... Click image to enlarge Good Luck... SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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17th Oct 2017 7:06pm |
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| nitram17 Member Since: 08 Jun 2014 Location: newcastle Posts: 2261 |
Thanks skip.......your right about the choice of isolators http://www.totalparts.co.uk/land-rover/anr...rmach.html
my residual scottish blood is drawing me to the bearmach ones but i will take your advice and go LR |
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17th Oct 2017 7:59pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 
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+1 for isolators - I have the top and bottom on the back of my 110 - really helps reduce road rumble
Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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18th Oct 2017 8:43am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Hi Martin,
Just out of interest (and a bit of future planning  ) what have you used on your 110? The rear springs are bigger than the front so the usual Discovery parts won't fit. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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18th Oct 2017 8:50am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665
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LRA - I used "Isolator Rear Spring" Part # ANR3060
Approx £5 each - great investment
https://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-ANR3060 Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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18th Oct 2017 9:28am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Ah ha! Great, thank you. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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18th Oct 2017 10:40am |
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| Cactus79 Member Since: 09 Jan 2017 Location: Cheshire Posts: 51
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Nice posts as will probably need to sort the suspension sooner rather than later.
thanks |
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18th Oct 2017 11:11am |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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Hello nitram17 My wife's 1/2 Scottish (and a thrifty wee lass with it too), it's only that she Loves her Land Rovers too, that we both have one sitting out side. I have no problem trying non-LR Parts, especially with their 'Pricing Policy' on certain items, from memory I don't think I have ever had a problem with a Bearmach Product... It was just the comment made to me by my local independent, that they had seen poor examples of these, giving up early, and when you look at various images on-line, some do look to be a bit 'rough and ready'... so maybe just don't buy in at the 'bottom end', and all will be OK, (what can you really expect for a £2 product, considering the job it is trying to do...  )
Good Luck... SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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18th Oct 2017 11:19am |
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