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| Crofter Member Since: 19 Feb 2015 Location: Peterhead Posts: 169   
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I will get a lot of info from it at my level of knowledge.
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16th Sep 2017 8:41pm |
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| Swine&Small Member Since: 20 Mar 2017 Location: Norfolk Posts: 1223
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Ditto
 1983 Series 3 Pick up in Marine Blue
1967 Morris Traveller 1966 Morris Convertible 2012 VW T5 Camper Quod Abundat Non Obstat. |
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16th Sep 2017 8:43pm |
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| rockster57 Member Since: 15 Nov 2014 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 937 
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Blackwolf's assumption regarding lack of transfer case and diff info is correct - indeed he's almost word perfect!
I also concur with the comments regarding poor quality of the item. I've bought many Haynes manuals in the past for cars and motorcycles and have always considered Haynes as a necessary evil. The puma manual though is the worst by far of any I've owned. First, it's the only paperback version I've come across and the paper used for the content is abysmal. It's like blotting paper - only thinner! Photographs are too low resolution and lacking in contrast resulting in a dull grainy images. I'm a bit OCD with my Defender and I can't help feeling a bit ripped off by Haynes. I'll have to see if they redeem themselves when I come to need the manual. |
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18th Sep 2017 8:38am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372 
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I came across one of the first Haynes manuals I bought the other day, covering the old Austin 1300GT from the 70s, and yes, if you needed to replace the 3rd/4th gear synchro baulk rings in the gearbox it tells you how. it is printed on paper that looks like paper, hardbound, and the binding is decent too.
Now Haynes manuals seems to be aimed at the folk who have trouble locating the screenwasher reservoir filler, dipstick, or changing a fuse, rather than (as the covers used to say) "picking up a spanner and dismantling it". I always wondered how you would dismantle a spanner! A sign of the times, I suppose. like the "ICON" book with its apalling grammar and many errors, or the Ben Fogle book with, well, words rather fail me on that one. 
Or cars designed for people too stupid to be able to turn the headights on when it gets dark. |
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18th Sep 2017 9:55am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 
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Am I the first to spot an potentially damaging error in the Haynes manual?
In the Routine Maintenance Section (item 13) talks about the Transmission (Main Gearbox) oil level check... guess what? It says the filler plug is a level plug. It says the "level should be up to the lower edge of the filler/level plug hole" ... OOps Spotted a couple of other errors too...  Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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18th Sep 2017 10:33am |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295 
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Well done MartinK Good Spot...you are absolutely right...
Whilst they do say at the beginning of the that section (Routine maintenance and servicing) 1.2 Capacities Main Gearbox: MT82-6-speed ............... 2.20 litres To advise that you 'Refill to the lower edge of the hole'... is a poor mistake, and potentially damaging as you say. Whilst the MT82 Gearbox should have been designed to 'fill to the filler hole'...it wasn't. Haynes should know that the Defender comes with a 'following' that is probably more mechanically knowledgeable and willing to get involved in DIY maintenance than most Vehicle Types. Are we going to 'proof read' this manual for Haynes... 
I also think that they should have described the Oil Capacities more fully... 
Proceed with Caution...  SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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18th Sep 2017 11:12am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665
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Great idea Skip - wonder is we can get free batch of "v2" maunals for DEF2 members? Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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18th Sep 2017 12:26pm |
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| ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831 
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Got mine yesterday, disappointed isn't strong enough word.
Picture quality Very poor in some the detail is missing. Tyre pressure , I wonder how they got those figures they obviously didn't read an owner manual. Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to  us off.
Richard |
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20th Sep 2017 9:44am |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4655 
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Yep, just got mine today and I was just about to post the same warning. But it does say that the capacity is 2.2 litres.It also specifies GL5 for the main gearbox. This is detrimental to some of the innards so it should be GL4. We could start a thread "What error did you spot today in the Haynes manual?" 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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20th Sep 2017 4:21pm |
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| RichLech Member Since: 09 Nov 2015 Location: West Sussex Posts: 115 
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Received mine today. I am also very disappointed that it is paperback and the paper used is so poor.
I have all the old Haynes manuals I have ever bought (I know, sad isn't it?) and they are all so much better quality than this one. |
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20th Sep 2017 4:28pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4209 
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I got one for my birthday and spotted a mistake immediately. It says to fill gearbox oil to the plug level
 it feels like they used TD5 manual as the basis and just edited what they though was different, but not very thoroughly. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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20th Sep 2017 4:31pm |
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| Bushpig Member Since: 07 Nov 2013 Location: Risca, Wales Posts: 236  
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Now not looking forward to mine arriving
 Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
Douglas Adams 2012 2.2 Puma |
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20th Sep 2017 6:41pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4655
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Now if Land Rover gave us a handbook similar to the 200 tdi or even the series 111.... Short of stripping the engine or gearbox they contained all you needed to know for the maintenance of your vehicle. Couple that to a Land Rover workshop manual and you were flying. The current hand book doesn't even tell you how to replace a fuel filter. Wonder why.
 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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20th Sep 2017 6:51pm |
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| Merlin Member Since: 30 Oct 2010 Location: Newmarket Posts: 981
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X4SKP Please would you point out where the picture is showing the oil capacity.
Merlin |
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23rd Sep 2017 11:47am |
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