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| Panda Member Since: 29 May 2015 Location: Essex Posts: 432   
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Hi Welkman
As long as the jack does the job. I would recommend an air bag jack fed from the exhaust fumes in the interest of safety. Have a chat with Richard at RST, he will be able to help. 
I have an off-road base for a high-lift going spare if you need one, never used. (sorry its a Toy o ta ) Monty-2015 2.2 110 XS Puma Station Wagon Yoda Disco 3-Sold Larry Disco 1-Sold Muddly XS 90 TDCI-Sold Pearl Disco 2-Sold Larry Disco 1-didn't want too but sold Last edited by Panda on 25th Jul 2017 8:45pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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25th Jul 2017 8:39pm |
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| VeeTee Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1512 
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For changing wheels (flat tyre) a bottle jack and some wood blocks is most useful, while a (proper) high lift jack may get you out of trouble if you're stuck somewhere ...
I carry both...  Cheers, Vincent
1959 Polynorm 1/4 Ton Trailer, Olive Drab Green (sold) 1970 M416 Military Trailer (Camping Trailer Conversion), Epsom Green (sold) 1975 Series III 88 V6, Light Green (sadly sold) 1996 Defender 110 CSW 300 Tdi, Epsom Green (sold) 2000 Freelander 1 TD4 3-drs, Silver (sold) 2006 Freelander 1 TD4 5-drs Facelift Automatic, Tonga Green (sold) MySite |
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25th Jul 2017 8:41pm |
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| Sadi Member Since: 23 Jul 2015 Location: Windhoek Posts: 334  
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Bottle jack very nice to use as you you do not need to lift the whole suspension in order to lift the wheel. Also compact, lighter and safer.
Same with air jack - more bulky but lighter (than HL jack) - and you use exhaust power to do the work. But you lift the suspension. Old OEM high lift jack - bulky, heavy and slow - but easier mechanism than farm-style HL Jack. Last 2 - should you choose - also practice with them at home - especially the ratchet mechanism on the farm style jack. (prone to dirt and subsequent recalcitrance/stickiness) Also practice with air jack - if chosen. For me - bottle jack upright in a transparent plastic 40L ammo style case in the back - together with chocks and other emergency-/recovery stuff - and air jack in custom cover on the roof rack. (more for getting out of stuck situations in sand/mud/etc. - not for changing tyre) |
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25th Jul 2017 10:50pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580 
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Welkman, I have done many trips abroad and have NEVER had to use a Hi Lift jack in anger!
A good bottle jack, best stored upright or a penny washer over filler plug taped on to avoid loss of oil. Casting out of ruts? Either back off or carry a good quality shovel. Never carried an exhaust jack. Brendan |
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26th Jul 2017 6:40am |
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| Thon Member Since: 22 Nov 2015 Location: Salisbury Plain Posts: 696
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The standard wind-up jack is good for changing wheels at the side of a road, and if that's all you intend doing then stick with it. It's simple, easy and reliable.
If however you want a jack that can be used for many functions including that, then the hi-lift does that, if not brilliantly at least functionally. The problem I found with the hi-lift is storage - if you want to keep it inside the vehicle and not be hit by it in the event of an accident. I carry a 4 foot Genuine Hi-Lift, with the adaptor for Defenders (round bar section for fitting into jacking points, rock sliders), which is also suitable for my Penman trailer, secured using a Nakatenga fitting bracket that uses the space under the 2nd row seats: Adaptor: https://www.nakatanenga.de/en/optional-equ...mber=AD-WH Bracket: https://www.nakatanenga.de/zubehoer/innena...r-110?c=12 I would suggest if you do go for a hi-lift that you do some trial lifts with it too, as they take some getting used to, and the consequences of getting it wrong can be severe. I've used a hi-lift for decades, mostly for changing wheels, but on occasion for casting a vehicle out of ruts, which it does quite nicely but as Brendan says, probably safer to use a shovel! |
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26th Jul 2017 8:18am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20314
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A hi lift or equivalent is perfectly safe if treated with due care and respect.
They have more versatility than a bottle jack hence often used. But of course in typical situation a bottle jack is quicker and easier to use. My biggest annoyance with hi lifts is the time it takes to jack up, and just as long to lower. ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️ |
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26th Jul 2017 10:19am |
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| Welkman Member Since: 02 Nov 2014 Location: Essex colchester Posts: 326
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Thanks for all the replies ! I think I might go with the standard defender jack and chuck my trolley jack in for this trip to save a bit of cost. So far prepping for extended travel has hit the wallet quite hard ! Rebuild of transfer box, twin batteries, fridge, full service and I decided to add a madman engine monitor.
I am hoping to have everything fairly secure in the back ratchet strapped down in boxes. |
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26th Jul 2017 11:58am |
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| Welkman Member Since: 02 Nov 2014 Location: Essex colchester Posts: 326
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I will have a go with the defender jack before I leave to make sure it works. I do have a different bumper and steering guard which might get in the way.
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26th Jul 2017 11:59am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17359 
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If I was doing a trip like that I would take the standard Defender bottle jack only, if I was predominantly on tarmac. If I was expecting to be off-road for a significant time then I would also take a proper HiLift, since it is such a useful and versatile tools, and is much better that a bottle jack on soft or difficult surfaces.
I would not bother with the Landrover bumper jack abomination, since I think it is barely fit for purpose - a scrap skip is the best place for that thing - get a bottle jack instead! I wlso wouldn't bother with a trolley jack, they are big, heavy, difficult to carry safely and securely in the vehicle (you really don't want it flying about in an accident) and they are generally not suitable for use on many surfaces. Even on good tarmac, the jack will sink in the ground, so you would also need a board to place it on. If you are the AA man, it is useful to have. If you are not, then it takes up space, weighs down the vehicle, and is more likely to be unsuitab;e than a bottle jack when you need it anyway. HiLift jacks if used foolishly or by incompetents can hurt and cause damage (the jack itself is entirely safe, it's the user who sometimes is not), and are invaluable if off the beaten track. I carry a 4-foot one in the vehicle at all times and keep it secured to the front mounting points of the secodn row seats (110 DC) where it is out of the way, doesn't impede tipping the seats, and is kept clean and secure. |
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26th Jul 2017 12:42pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1316 
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I'll second that. The closest I have ever knowingly been to losing my life was when I was foolishly using a high lift jack on the rear cross member of a Series II on a sloping yard. The rear end was completely off the ground when it rolled back on the front wheels. This caused the jack to lose grip on the cross member and fly backwards as the full weight of the landy slid down the frame of the jack. It missed my head by a fraction of an inch. Lesson learned big time. |
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26th Jul 2017 3:07pm |
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| Welkman Member Since: 02 Nov 2014 Location: Essex colchester Posts: 326
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wow - sounds very close!
The route is about 600km of tracks in the pyranees. Hopefully I can source a hi lift from somewhere overnight. |
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26th Jul 2017 7:36pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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I little long winded but some excellent old footage showing why a hi lift jack is useful, also note the alternative use of a steel wheel...not sure I would want to do that with an alloy...
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20th Mar 2018 3:23pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8018  
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Bottle jack and hi lift
Practice with both and take chocks Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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20th Mar 2018 5:13pm |
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| Mdm Member Since: 11 Sep 2013 Location: Sunny Lancashire Posts: 1598
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i use a bottle jack and base plate made from a piece of old waffle board
and then if i know im going places ill need more variety i would take my hi lift jack. no point in the std jack apart from tarmac and no need to have any size of trolley jack small or large kicking about the back of the motor. |
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20th Mar 2018 9:20pm |
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