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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324  
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On the basis that dead people make terrible witnesses, I don't think your legal argument would ever take place
 Darren
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13th Jun 2017 12:07pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17382 
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A very good point!
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13th Jun 2017 12:51pm |
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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396
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Tony Martin....
The true fact is that he had had his certificate revoked AND therefore he had had his shotguns removed from his possession for threatening people trespassing on his property. He then obtained a 5 shot semi automatic shotgun ( without a licence) which is a Section 1 firearm. He then used this gun to shoot the scumbags who broke into his house. His big mistake was actually having an unlicensed firearm & the general consensus was that IF he had actually had a licensed firearm then he may well have got off much more lightly. Guy May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful. |
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13th Jun 2017 2:18pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110  
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Not too sure about civilians with guns leave it to her Majesty, she's one mean dude!
 Click image to enlarge Or Cameron he is out of a job at present
Or seen as this lot can’t run an election give them the tools to do the job Click image to enlarge For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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13th Jun 2017 2:34pm |
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| Mr Fox Member Since: 10 Sep 2011 Location: green & pleasant land Posts: 1037 
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It is too easy to use the USA as an example of gun violence; however, as proloForêt has mentioned, people on both sides of the argument ignore Canada. http://globalnews.ca/news/2378037/gun-viol...d-compare/ Canadian gun law and the result of it, should make the American's question where/how they are getting it wrong and, perhaps, give pause for thought as to how the ownership of firearms could be managed more effectively than an outright ban on handguns in the UK. |
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13th Jun 2017 3:07pm |
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Just look at Rallymental's picture above.| Mr Fox Member Since: 10 Sep 2011 Location: green & pleasant land Posts: 1037
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I'd like to hope any sane person would not "lift my twelve bore and point at someone, even in a case where I was being provoked" because that is not self defence. Therefore, hopefully, that is a moot point. However, in a situation, where I felt the life of a member of my family, or myself, was being threatened, I would choose to defend them/myself. |
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13th Jun 2017 3:12pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3499 
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"However, in a situation, where I felt the life of a member of my family, or myself, was being threatened, I would choose to defend them/myself"
I agree Mr Fox. That would be a dilemma that I hope I never have to contemplate. |
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13th Jun 2017 3:14pm |
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| Mr Fox Member Since: 10 Sep 2011 Location: green & pleasant land Posts: 1037
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100% agree ...but I would also suggest that our American and Canadian cousins would suggest that should that dilemma present itself, they'd rather be armed than not, which returns us nicely back to the original question on this thread. |
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13th Jun 2017 3:20pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17382
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Thank you, Chopperone, I have to admit that I had entirely forgotten that Tony Martin had had his SC revoked and used a five-shot pump-action shotgun, which is as you say a Section 1 firearm.
No winners in that case at all. It is hard to feel any sympathy with the deceased intruder. |
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13th Jun 2017 3:35pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006  
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Ah the age old question, should we reserve the right to arm bears? Hmm. An armed society is a polite society! What is oft forgot in this debate is that gun laws only affect the law abiding, not the criminal minority who are able to get hold of any number of otherwise banned items of weaponry. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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13th Jun 2017 4:33pm |
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| JJ Member Since: 18 May 2009 Location: Winchester Posts: 932 
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It is a stupid idea and completely over looks the fact that when a "situation " arises it is very often chaotic .
When someone is running towards a person on the ground are they. A) A terrorist about to inflict harm B) A brave soul stepping in to help C) An armed under cover officer. Chuck a load of armed people in to that mix and it is a recipe for disaster. We talk as if the bad guy is the one in a black hat and we all know to shoot him/her. Just like in a film. It isn't like that. Leave it to the professionals. HR064 Hampshire and Berkshire 4x4 Response |
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13th Jun 2017 4:50pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
problem is they shot them self in the foot
 refrains to Cameron and party and not HRH
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13th Jun 2017 5:13pm |
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| Low-Range Member Since: 30 Sep 2016 Location: BC Posts: 41 
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In Canada, thank God, we still have the right to defend ourselves. If someone were to break into my house I would use a firearm, as I'm more than equipped to do so, to protect myself. As the Adage goes it better to be tried by twelve, than carried by six. If you actually look at the statistics, most gun related deaths are at the hands of the police, or criminals, not citizens. Suicides make up a small part as well. We had an incident at a Montreal university that sparked so much controversy that Long gun registration was initiated. It was a cluster F**K . The ineffective and erroneous juggernaut took years to implement and was more of a job creation program, than anything else. Well, not including of course the Political kudos for appearing to do something. The truth is after registration not a single death was ever prevented from happening as a result of Registration. People kill each other, guns don't. There are far more stabbings than shootings. Firearms may be used in the "heat of the moment" but our storage laws are quite restrictive...as they should be. As well, proper storage eliminates the possibility of children or young teens getting access to them.
Would armed citizens help in a terrorist attack, not likely. But then again neither would the police as seldom are they there in time to apprehend. I'm not blaming them. Its a financial thing. Sorry if I've ruffled feathers, but I hunt and shoot at our local gun range. I have many rifles, pistols, and Black Powder firearms. I am an honest citizen, minus speeding, and I'd like to think a good citizen in a democratic country, should have the right to firearm ownership. By the By we must go through a rigorous firearms application process and have passed a firearms instruction course. Hand guns even more so. The screening process to purchase and or have in possession any firearm, includes a criminal records check, possible interview, and questions to be filled in by spouse or significant other. Handguns are much harder to get and you must belong to a Gun Club or be a legitimate collector. Sorry for the rant. |
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13th Jun 2017 6:08pm |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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Um, a lot of the 'debate' is missing some practical points - a legally held shotgun should be in a cabinet. If the intruder is tremendously polite and considers it poor sport to deny you the time to go to find the key / go to the cabinet / unlock it / find the ammunition etc then best of luck. I can't see that scenario playing oit though, can you?!
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13th Jun 2017 7:21pm |
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