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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5109   
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^^^^^^^^
And then some after reading your post   For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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10th Jun 2017 5:10pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580 
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David T, not been up to date with all modern terminology on all modern electronic media I had to look up what SJW meant.
SJW = Social Justice Warrior. Brendan |
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10th Jun 2017 6:42pm |
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| Kit Member Since: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1110 
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10th Jun 2017 7:28pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4795 
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David T that has to be the best election based posting I have read, brilliant n so funny
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10th Jun 2017 7:50pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20299
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All I've got to say on the matter still is Garden tax. 😮 That's cost most members here about £2k a year, and would be catastrophic for the U.K. Natural world and native species of plants, animals, biodiversity etc etc. Yet, no one seems to much as ever even notice that one. I've never heard of something quite do silly to be honest. I think TM is just right around right of centre. Cameron imo was to right wing and Corbynski is extreme left bordering on communistic. âï¸âï¸God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 âï¸âï¸
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10th Jun 2017 8:36pm |
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| g-mack Member Since: 07 Jan 2014 Location: northumberland Posts: 1967
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garden tax scared me too! i own 3 properties, 2 which i rent out. we have just moved to a house with a much bigger plot and looking to buy more land adjacent ! if garden tax had been introduced it would ruin me!
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10th Jun 2017 8:45pm |
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| Freypal Member Since: 23 Sep 2013 Location: Shropshire Posts: 271 
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As a graduate of not all that long ago, having left with a debt I'm still paying off and having recently started a young family, I continued bucking the tradition for my age group and voted Conservative. This was purely based on economic reasons.
As above, I have a fairly large student loan debt (admittedly not as large as today's loans), however I believe this is the right approach. I consider my university degree an investment in myself. I could not have got my job without it. As a result of my investment, I now have higher wages than I would have had if I had not gone to university. I'm therefore making a return on my investment. Why anyone else should have to foot the bill for my investment through taxation is beyond me. I can see merit in lowering/removing fees on priority subjects where we have skills shortages such as STEM subjects (this would also help in a post-Brexit Britain) but that's it. I also do not agree with raising corporation tax. We've done fairly well recently with private investment in the UK, more companies are coming here and unemployment is well down. What the UK doesn't need right now as businesses eye up whether to re-locate post-Brexit, is to kick them in the teeth with a corporation tax hike. That seems a great way to naff of business and lead them to relocate. The Laffer curve principle also suggests the increase won't yield the expected return. Onto nationalisation... Corbyn argued that we are all being ripped off by energy firms. The solution being to buy them out and run them publicly. He argued this wouldn't incur national debt as the borrowing to fund it would be an infrastructure investment and therefore not a debt. Only it wouldn't work that way. They'd pay market value for the companies and then have to sell the goods below market rate as they've stated we are paying too much. How then do they expect to recoup the outlay? They don't, so they will increase public debt, making his statement another lie. Don't get me wrong, I love the ideals as much as anyone. No one wants public services that aren't receiving the funding they need. But I'm also a realist. I'd prefer we balance the books, stop paying astronomical amounts of interest on public debt, so we can then re-invest that money into services. Given we are well on the way to eliminating the deficit, I'd rather that journey was finished so we began actually paying off our debt. The Conservatives have only themselves to blame. They ran an appalling campaign, full of negativity with the message of don't vote for the other guy, he's rubbish. That just doesn't wash as the vote Remain campaign proved. They made no effort to explain their policies properly or explain the economic value of what they are doing. Their manifesto was also a complete car crash. May called the election for the purpose of increasing her majority. All she needed to do was to release something palatable that didn't rock the boat. Regardless of whether the policies were right or wrong, including the changes to social care costs and the vote on fox hunting were completely unnecessary. They were never going to be vote winners so they shouldn't have been in there if her aim was to increase her majority. Brexit negotiations just got harder and the most annoying part of this is that they simply didn't need to have. I fear we will be going back around this in the not too distant future. I only hope they've learned their lesson. |
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10th Jun 2017 9:06pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580
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Garden tax?
Forget the expression Garden Tax, think carefully of Land Value Tax. Now the Labour party is suggesting a 3% tax on Land value. Sounds reasonable? Now agricultural land value in the UK is £6,000 per acre so a 200 acre farm would be £1.2 million or a tax demand of £36,000 per year. Now the farmer is likely to face an extra bill of £36,000 so what is he going to do? Pass it on to the food consumer. Now how much is land worth in cities? A big question which answer will vary around the country but could be at least 3x the value of agricultural land. Now who owns reasonable large areas of land close to city centres? Schools with playing fields? Universities with car parks and playing fields? Hospitals with gardens and car parks? Councils with open spaces such as parks? Shopping centres with car parks? Now it could be argued that the potential value of a park as building land close to a good school is worth a fortune. So what is the Labour party going to do? Charge the local council, school, university etc with an annual 3 % charge or exempt them and charge the 'private' individual a higher percentage but keep the average at 3% This Land Value Tax has no relationship to the ability to pay! Think of two semi detached houses in same locality with same size garden. One occupied by DINKYS (DOUBLE INCOME, NO KIDS) one with a pensioner say a state pensioner. Same tax bill but completely different ability to pay! Do I see any potential flaws in this proposal? For me, taxation should be related to ability to pay. Brendan |
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10th Jun 2017 9:36pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006  
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Trust me if i suddenly had a pro rata tax bill per annum of the magnitude you are suggesting just because of the size of my farm i would be out of business not passing on the cost to the rest of the supply chain. There simply isn't that kind of money in farming. Add in the rest of our portfolio and it is possible i might not have to sell it all but only just and only if everything else was run at a loss to offset the farm. And I am insulated against the worst of it many are not which would lead to vast tracts of marginal land becoming uneconomic to farm in turn needing ever increasing land management subsidies and grants. Senseless. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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11th Jun 2017 4:44am |
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| pannawonica Member Since: 21 Nov 2010 Location: Clackline Western Australia Posts: 568 
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Frey pal you are dead right, the Laffer curve rules without political discrimination. Any party tries that too redistribute wealth by becoming the largest part GDP will tank economic growth. Venezuela classic example, Jezza sold the idea of a free lunch!
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11th Jun 2017 8:42am |
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| Kit Member Since: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1110
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To be honest, I think people are getting sick of "normal" politics, thats why Donald Trump is in power, JC and Le Penn have risen to power.
The conservatives are probably the best party to lead us through brexit, simply because they are less fragmented and have been resource. I look at all partys very cynically and truly the only people in the UK who fully understand the countries position are those who are at the top echelons of the treasury. 1993 200 Tdi 90 CSW 1956 Series 1 Hard-top 1958 Series 1 Soft-top |
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11th Jun 2017 11:26am |
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| proloForêt Member Since: 16 Mar 2017 Location: Montereau Posts: 248  
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Sorry I correct you here. Madame Le Pen has not risen to power. She fail and now her party fail. French do not want this solution even if sometimes she is correct. |
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11th Jun 2017 11:52am |
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| Kit Member Since: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1110
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Correct what? I wrote "JC and Le Penn have risen to power" neither of which won their respective primary elections but both occupy a position of power as the main opposition  1993 200 Tdi 90 CSW
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11th Jun 2017 12:35pm |
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| proloForêt Member Since: 16 Mar 2017 Location: Montereau Posts: 248
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Sorry, you are not correct as Le Pen (or her party) is not even in the legislative assembly so has no opposition power at all.
She arrived in 2nd round of presidential election in this situation and scored almost half what Macron did able. In fact she came technical 3rd place from 2 as there were more white votes than she scored. She is just MEP, they have no power. She give this role from french people elections so she is not in the country. We don't want her. |
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11th Jun 2017 1:34pm |
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