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peterl

Member Since: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Pembrokeshire
Posts: 308

Full internal roll cage in a 90

Just fitted a soft top on the tdi, the land rover use to have a rear cage which will be fitted soon, but I was thinking of a full internal. I know the Army rally team have them along with others, but was wondering if anyone has pictures showing fitment and location of the front cage, was wondering how it fits around the accelarator and if it reduces access. Will I have to move heater controls as well.

Any pictures would be appreciated.

Pete

27th Apr 2017 8:30pm

Harrygf

Member Since: 04 Jan 2016
Location: Banbury
Posts: 70

Have you considered the Safety Devices 6 point internal cage that the soft top hood can sit on?
Just did mine. Write up to follow soon.

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28th Apr 2017 9:38am

Theater

Member Since: 27 Sep 2010
Location: Pisa Italy
Posts: 514

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Galway Green

http://www.africaland.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=103235 Marco

Defender 110 "SW" SE Galway Green MY 2009
Ex Defender 90 "SW" S Santorini Black MY 2010

28th Apr 2017 7:22pm

Riverboy

Member Since: 16 May 2016
Location: French sector, Earth
Posts: 1288

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Corris Grey

WTF?

Thats horrible. Its like a load of old scaffolding. Why would anyone want that?

28th Apr 2017 7:39pm

agentmulder

Member Since: 16 Apr 2016
Location: Outer Space
Posts: 1324

^ to use as a roll cage?

(did I miss some sarcasm?) Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...

28th Apr 2017 8:09pm

Riverboy

Member Since: 16 May 2016
Location: French sector, Earth
Posts: 1288

Really? The roof caving in would be the least of your worries. Your more likely to break your neck on all that metalwork

28th Apr 2017 8:13pm

agentmulder

Member Since: 16 Apr 2016
Location: Outer Space
Posts: 1324

Ok, I see your point regarding the overhead and forehead bashers being much closer to the driver than the standard headlining, and I must admit I don't have much of a clue regarding the common specification/regulations and wisdom behind where or where not to place such parts (aside from reading the NZ road standards re. cages, which according to the SD engineers are very restrictive).

But in the absence of that I would have hope that anyone putting in the time, $$ and effort to build a cage would have thought the dang thing through to that level, like "in the event that the bad thing happens, then so and so factor will restrict further bad things, and then accordingly I can place element in question here".

BUT, yes, it takes all kinds of idiot to make the world go round and I'm reminded of the Dunning-Kruger effect:

"a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is"

Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...

28th Apr 2017 9:10pm

psimpson7

Member Since: 20 Nov 2013
Location: Gold Coast, Qld.
Posts: 221

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Loire Blue

Riverboy wrote:
WTF? Thats horrible. Its like a load of old scaffolding. Why would anyone want that?

I guess it's lucky everyone has different requirements... otherwise there could be a shortage of awful fake Recaros.

For road use I would want the front hoop to be external along with the side / roof bars.

The main hoop inside is fine when padded.

It looks very much like that image showing the full internal cage is in a competition car where harnesses and helmets would be used 2001 90 HT 6.0LS/6spdAuto.
2003 90 td5 soft top.
2014 90 XS SW 2.2.

29th Apr 2017 7:57am

peterl

Member Since: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Pembrokeshire
Posts: 308

Thanks, looked at safety devises replacement set up, but want something more substantial direct to chassis.

30th Apr 2017 9:57pm

Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2227

1984 Defender 90 BMW M57 3.0 Diesel HT Auto Pennine Grey

I think theatre's internal set up looks like a very tidy internal roll cage, nicely made.
Having made a cage myself once, it is a God awfully difficult job to get right. I'd go along with the comment that the front part should be external as the defender does not lend itself to a nice straight route to the chassis outrigger on the inside and of course does leave the noggin somewhat vulnerable if not wearing a helmet.
Its built to do a job, not look pretty and shiny and as such I'm sure it will excel.

Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

50 Shades of Pennine Grey

1st May 2017 10:56am

Ramsay

Member Since: 30 Sep 2015
Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway
Posts: 627

1995 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Auto Keswick Green

Unless used with multi point harness and possibly helmets I'm not sure a full internal cage really helps. You might avoid a roof collapse then still get a skull fracture from those internal tubes. 1995 Defender 110 CSW
1971 SIIA Lightweight

1st May 2017 2:17pm

bankz5152

Member Since: 02 Feb 2017
Location: South London/North Kent
Posts: 2166

Why internal? Its not a drift car and you'll loose space in an already spatially limited vehicle. Defenders actually look good with external cages so...

8th May 2017 1:52pm

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