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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410  
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I tell you I wish my 110 had it... Have often toyed with retro fitting it...
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11th Apr 2017 6:42pm |
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| JAY BOY Member Since: 04 May 2010 Location: Not here Posts: 1706 
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I wouldn't be without ABS Its a big old bus to stop and scary when they lock up in an emergency. From experience
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11th Apr 2017 6:48pm |
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| miket Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Peak District Posts: 143 |
My old TD5 didn't have ABS and I once had an interesting experience when all four wheels locked going down a hill at 30 mph or so past some parked cars. I controlled it okay, kept it in a straight line, got the brakes working again and didn't hit anything. The chap in the Corsa coming the other way wasn't quite so calm at seeing a green 90 sailing past him and promptly drove into a parked car.
I've got a 110 now and one of the reasons I chose it was the ABS. Both because of the above experience and because I'm now carrying my young son about in it. Last edited by miket on 11th Apr 2017 7:48pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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11th Apr 2017 7:33pm |
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| wyvern Member Since: 13 Dec 2009 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2108 
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My current 110 xs has ABS and TC but i’ve only had it for 10 yrs ... prior to that none of my landrovers had ABS and it was no problem, I am here to tell the tale ..
however I am older and not as bold ... my reaction time is not as good as it was... the roads are much busier than they were ... and I wish I had abs years ago! ! I have locked up my wheels on my previous vehicles and skidded to a halt with my heart oil my mouth hoping not to hear the crunch several times .. and got a way with it several times, but I think that the ABS is a real game changer - that time when you need to stop quickly can save a crunch, an insurance claim and a life. I drive lots of miles each year in my 110 and class myself only as an ‘ok’ driver, not a good or great driver .. so any thing that can help me prevent being a statistic is good on my books... and I would not buy another vehicle with out ABS Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126  |
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11th Apr 2017 7:44pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720 
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There aren't a lot of safety features in a Defender, so i would say ABS is a worthwhile feature. That being said millions of miles are done each year by people in non ABS equipped vehicles and they live to tell the tail.
Traction control is going to help in many off road situations, it's not going to be as good as proper locking diffs but it's better than none at all. Like anything though you can find situations where it doesn't help. I suppose the benefit of not having them is it's less to go wrong, but they're pretty reliable systems on the whole. |
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11th Apr 2017 8:11pm |
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| Mr Fox Member Since: 10 Sep 2011 Location: green & pleasant land Posts: 1037 
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Cheers chaps.
All that is written is as I expected - from reaction time slowing as we get a little older, to it being a nice safety net to have in place, especially when carrying the next generation of Defender converts. The hunt continues. Thanks again for the real-world feedback.  |
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11th Apr 2017 8:44pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17384 
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Bucking the trend here, but I don't have ABS on my Defender and don't want it. Given the choice of two similar vehicles, one with one without, I'd take the without every time.
I've never locked the wheels in over 200,000 miles on the Defender except in snow, and in snow you'll stop quicker without ABS. |
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11th Apr 2017 9:45pm |
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| Kit Member Since: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1110 
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It's on my list of things to do to my 90 once I get around to fitting a bigger intercooler, I'd definately wait for a good one with it fitted. 1993 200 Tdi 90 CSW
1956 Series 1 Hard-top 1958 Series 1 Soft-top |
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11th Apr 2017 9:55pm |
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| pannawonica Member Since: 21 Nov 2010 Location: Clackline Western Australia Posts: 568 
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ABS in my opinion on gravel roads is a pain! You can stop quicker without!
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12th Apr 2017 9:56am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 
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I'm another nay-sayer. No ABS/TC and chose it that way (bought a 2011 County rather than XS).
One of these days I will fit at ATB as per http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic13545.html?highlight=lsd Maybe a better option than TC... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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12th Apr 2017 10:17am |
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| Kit Member Since: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1110
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The chances of needing to stop at speed on gravel/mud is not the same as tarmac. Unless you only use your defender on the farm...etc it's a fact that ABS saves lives. 1993 200 Tdi 90 CSW
1956 Series 1 Hard-top 1958 Series 1 Soft-top |
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12th Apr 2017 10:43am |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347 
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If I could fit it I would.
I know I have had a few times were luck has carried me
Would hate to think how expensive it would be to convert a 200tdi with drum brakes Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
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12th Apr 2017 11:53am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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On gravel and snow ABS doesnt let the material build up in front of the tyre and does increase stopping distance.
I would have ABS and TC every day. When we first got he 90 i was driving down a country lane at 45 in a 60 (car was new) and a tractor pulled out 3/4 in my lane, i had to brake and then manoeuvre - ABS was king that day. Sliding a 2 or 3t thing to the scene of the accident is not a great experience!! Mike |
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12th Apr 2017 12:00pm |
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| roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039  
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ABS doesn't help you to stop quicker, it allows you to keep steering and so hopefully avoid an accident.
My 2003 90 is a ex-farm hack so very basic and no ABS etc. Do I want ABS and TC? I don't know, I have a Detroit locker and I understood that TC and Detroit locker don't work that well together. OK ABS is for safety and that is good but if safety is a big concern should you be driving a Defender? No airbags, no real side- protection. If my 90 would be my daily driver I might want ABS but for a toy that I use almost daily, no not needed. Roel 1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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12th Apr 2017 5:43pm |
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