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| arran jones Member Since: 21 Nov 2016 Location: south west Posts: 726  
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OK, thanks
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2nd Apr 2017 5:33pm |
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| arran jones Member Since: 21 Nov 2016 Location: south west Posts: 726
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Just seen this!
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2nd Apr 2017 6:06pm |
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| apachecow Member Since: 12 Apr 2016 Location: Yorkshire Dales Posts: 59 
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It's as clear as mud. MAM is the maximum the vehicle and trailer CAN weigh, not does weigh.
So if your Defender has a MAM of 2500kg (check your handbook) then you can only tow a trailer rated to a MAM of 1000kg. It doesn't matter that the car and trailer are unloaded and actually weigh a lot less. Practically with any reasonable sized car you need to do the B+E test to tow anything other than a crappy pressed 'Halfords' type trailer to the tip. "driving licence entitlement is calculated on potential weight - Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) - rather than actual weight. So if your entitlement allows you to tow a trailer with MAM 750kg, you cannot tow a trailer with GVW of 1,500kg that is unladen, and so only weighs 500kg. You can only tow a trailer with GVW 750kg" https://www.gov.uk/government/publications...ntitlement |
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2nd Apr 2017 10:43pm |
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| Swine&Small Member Since: 20 Mar 2017 Location: Norfolk Posts: 1223
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Please excuse me, I am probably being incredibly stupid here, (some would say nothing new then), but I am completely unaware of any requirement to have a licence to tow a trailer.
I must ask that being over 70 and having passed my test in 1963 does any of this towing regulation apply to me , or should I just be stopped from driving anything? Thanks for any help on this  1983 Series 3 Pick up in Marine Blue
1967 Morris Traveller 1966 Morris Convertible 2012 VW T5 Camper Quod Abundat Non Obstat. |
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2nd Apr 2017 11:13pm |
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| apachecow Member Since: 12 Apr 2016 Location: Yorkshire Dales Posts: 59
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If you are old it's fine. There is a magic date in 1997 where you need to do an extra test.
My mother can legally tow but shouldn't. I had to do the test and I'd been towing on farm for years before I could drive a car. |
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2nd Apr 2017 11:46pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5038 
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Actually, 1997 isnt the only magic date!
They changed the conditions at different stages too...meaning now i understand the plated weight is more significant but back when i did my +E it was the actual weight on a weigh bridge not the theoretical weight the trailer could be. This is very difficult for pc plod to work through at the roadside though Mike |
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3rd Apr 2017 2:49pm |
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| miker Member Since: 13 Sep 2015 Location: Surrey Posts: 1763 
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There is a very easy solution for those with a post 1997 license.
Take the +e test. Then all you have to worry about is whether the vehicle can tow the trailer, which with a defender, is any trailer up to 3.5t! It's not that expensive, it's not that hard (I passed it!) And personally i actually learnt a lot about the right way to drive and maneuvre with a trailer. As an aside, I'd been towing a 750kg thing for about 4 years before i took my test |
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3rd Apr 2017 3:23pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5038
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If only...they actually changed the +E test entitlements too! i think its on its 3rd iteration
When i did my test it just removed the weight restriction so i dont have the trailer 3500kg limit that you would have now - it almost means the same, but doesnt. Mike |
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3rd Apr 2017 3:47pm |
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| arran jones Member Since: 21 Nov 2016 Location: south west Posts: 726
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Hello all
Im seriously thinking of getting a trailer licence now. As i would like to start being able to tow proper trailers sometime Im thinking of using C&G training in stonehouse, gloucestershire Can anybody reccomend these people? And also what are the key points on bein able to pass?? Thks in advance |
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14th Mar 2018 9:28pm |
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| Badger110 Member Since: 06 Feb 2018 Location: South hams Posts: 1039 
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Yup got that...
Umm yup ok, so how do we get the dumpy bag in the horsebox??  |
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14th Mar 2018 10:06pm |
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| arran jones Member Since: 21 Nov 2016 Location: south west Posts: 726
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With out a BandE test...
Im i right..please exuse.. Without a licence im allowed to tow anything as long as the trailer weight and the vehicle weight put together isnt over 3500kg...RIGHT/WRONG!?? And with a licence...im allowed to tow a trailer that is a maximum of 3500kg excluding the vehicle weight RIGHT/WRONG!?? Thanks in advance
Ajones |
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19th Jun 2018 10:24am |
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| windy81 Member Since: 14 Mar 2018 Location: North Wales Posts: 311  
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I had to look this up.
B Licence = 750kg trailer or more as long as the total is 3.5t or less (defender) B+E Licence = 3.5t trailer + 3.5t car (defender) as long as the total is 7t or less max. different cars have lower weight allowances etc.... as do trailer. Gets complicated quick. Anyway did my B+E about 3 years ago, £600 because i failed the first time. It's not just a trailer test but a full on Driving test all over again, but with a trailer to make things more difficult so you do need to make a concerted effort to pass it, and reverse all the bad habits you've picked up along the way. Probably the most important thing is mirrors, always use them for every action whether intended, anticipated or as a response to any action whatsoever in the car and you'll be OK |
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19th Jun 2018 11:17am |
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| arran jones Member Since: 21 Nov 2016 Location: south west Posts: 726
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Thanks for that
So i have the b licence anyway.... as standerd And the trailer licence is a BandE i guess |
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19th Jun 2018 11:30am |
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| arran jones Member Since: 21 Nov 2016 Location: south west Posts: 726
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Ive finially booked my trailer test with gettrained in stonehouse gloucester
I have had a fairbit of experience with flatbed trailers...but not any box trailers...dont know if there is a big driving difference with them What are the best tips for the test to make sure i pass 1st time??! |
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