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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816   
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This really is all just pityful.
From what I have seen, I think someone on here did not prepare his road for success in court very well. Always weigh your written words before you put them on paper I would say. And since there is a threat made of going to court, no need that the potential future defendant sends any more of the now still requested info by the potential future claimant. The potential defendant should now think of acting in the interest of his defense. I only can say this, if someone would try to go to court here with this kind of preparation after having first blown hot, cold, then hot again, he would stand no chance and most likely get convicted to pay a fine for wasting taxpayers money on top of it. Hope there is still time to accept that mistakes and wrong judgments were made, and possibly find a middle of the road out of court still now. 
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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11th Feb 2017 7:18am |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3664  
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followed this with interest and wont pass judgement on this but will comment on an experience I had
I purchased terrafirma corner bumpers they did not fit, (there is a thread on here about it), they hit the bodywork near the rear arch eye brows, also you couldn't fit the mud flaps with them, (sounds familiar), I contacted the supplier and asked for a refund, refund agreed, I posted them and got my money back (just lost the postage) which made me a bit grumpy hence my thread on here at the time. there is an issue with some pumas and corner bumpers in that the cross member is not straight and hence not 90 degrees to the body sides, most corner bumpers are made at 90 degrees (I'm assuming earlier defenders have straight cross members) the terrafirma ones were badly made one was 90 degrees one was more like 82 degrees making the issue worse I then purchased some unbranded corner bumpers off ebay that were better made and were both 90 degrees, I made spacers for between them and the cross member to make them square to the sides and hence not hit the body side, these too would not fit with mud flaps but not wanting to cut them I decided to cut the slot in the mud flap brackets instead reasoning that the mud flap brackets are cheap (relative to the bumper corners) and rust out quick anyway will add photos when its light DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS, I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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11th Feb 2017 7:39am |
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| tobz102 Member Since: 07 Feb 2014 Location: Atherstone Posts: 134 
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Not really going to get involved further in your discussion and thanks for your reply to what's I said, even though I understood maybe 50% of it. I'd have thought that being an Engineer as you've stated you'd be capable of empathising somewhat with the complexity of designing items for vehicles with such awful build tolerances as Defenders - I know I certainly do. I work as a test engineer and often seen the complexity of aftermarket component fitment firsthand.
Christmas period finished on the 2nd of Jan for most, you waited 5 days until you modified and assumed no response was an invitation to do so. I stand by that being impatient. 'Further defect' the defect is that they didn't fit, in two places. Offer the component up to be fitted, see if doesn't fit, send it back. You fitted the item, modified, drove around for a few days until it damaged you're vehicle. I'll leave it here and I hope you rectify your issue. Fortunately it looks like your issue hasn't affected anyone's opinion of 4x4 overlander and Nak! P.S. Don't really understand your last sentence, think you're implying that you wish that I suffer the same issues you do or something? Kind of really showing your character here, childish comments have the potential of ruining your argument, whether you're right or wrong. Also they were scratched on the leading edge when they arrived and you still fitted them!?!?!!? Just rereread and had to comment on Brendan's revelation that you fitted on the 28th December not the 7th January. So now you're lying too. This whole thing is a joke and you're turning yourself into a laughing stock. Good luck in court, I know they appreciate lying. |
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11th Feb 2017 12:05pm |
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| Iktank Member Since: 08 Nov 2014 Location: Porthcawl Posts: 237  
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Whoops one date wrong, i did cut and fit them on the 28th but e-mailed on the 7th chasing replies ( that bit I got right)
On the 23rd Dec 4x4 Overlanders reply I quote "Now in my opinion better to notch the corner protector then the mud flap bracket." Is that not tantamount to agreeing with me to cut the notch? I TO CAN CHERRY PICK COMMENTS quote 01-02-17 "Now MY MISTAKE was in not insisting on the return of the corner protectors when you found the issue" Here is the whole e-mail trail up to the 20th, I have not posted the most recent ones yet as I am now considering pursuing this through other avenues Another quote from 21-12-16 from peter "yes, we were not aware of it as well until today. We are working on a new metal fitting to use the original mud flaps. It will take a couple of weeks because of the holidays." I note it is now over 9 weeks since the error was noted and still not modified brackets All the way from the 23rd Dec to the 13th Jan 2017 I had no replies I will not let this rest as I have stated 2 faults 1 - did not allow for mud flaps 2 - returns rub against the eyebrows I do like reading the comments they really have assisted me in getting my full report in order, much appreciated. 
From: Ian Thomas [mailto:ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com] Sent: 20 January 2017 15:32 To: 'Nakatanenga - Peter Hochsieder' <peter> Cc: 'brendan@4x4overlander.com' <brendan> Subject: RE: Nakatanenga Rear Corners 90 Hi Any further thoughts following my e-mail below Regards Ian From: Ian Thomas [mailto:ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com] Sent: 16 January 2017 18:56 To: 'Nakatanenga - Peter Hochsieder' <peter> Cc: 'brendan@4x4overlander.com' <brendan> Subject: RE: Nakatanenga Rear Corners 90 Hi Peter Thank you for your reply but your proposal will cause me further problems as the cut out I have already made in the bumper will have to be widened to suite to accommodate the mud flaps. (see my previous pictures sent to you) Are the spacer you propose 8mm thick which will sit on top of the 6mm spacers? If so not really happy with this. Space on top of a spacer! It is all a bit of a bodge To eliminate placing a spacer on top of a spacer - LHS spacer should 13mm (8mm you propose and the thickness of the existing which I assume is 6mm?) - RHS would require two different spacers 6mm to sit on top of the swing away wheel carrier and 13mm to sit on the chassis member Again I go back to I have to recut the notch 8mm wider to accommodate the mudflaps Is there a reinforcing bracket that can be made to restrain the wing to stop it distorting into the bumper Failing that the bumper needs to be made with a shorter return Regards Ian 07988084679 From: Nakatanenga - Peter Hochsieder [mailto:peter@nakatanenga.de] Sent: 16 January 2017 17:34 To: 'Ian Thomas' <ian> Cc: brendan@4x4overlander.com Subject: AW: Nakatanenga Rear Corners 90 Hi Ian, sorry that was a misunderstanding. I was talking to Brendan a couple of times about your issues and he thought I would inform you and vice versa. We will get you a set of free spacers fir your corners. This will bring them 8mm further backwards which should solve your problem. Sorry for the delay in answering. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Peter Hochsieder Achtung: Um Ihre Antwort besser zuordnen zu können, möchten wir Sie bitten, die vorangegangene Korrespondenz dieser e-Mail nicht zu löschen. NAKATANENGA 4x4-EQUIPMENT, Inh. Peter Hochsieder e.K., Ludwig-Erhard-Ring 30, 92348 Berg b. Neumarkt, phone +49 9181 466 644, fax +49 9181 40 77 60, www.nakatanenga.de, peter@nakatanenga.de, Sparkasse Neumarkt, BLZ 760 520 80, Kto Nr. 188 888, BIC/SWIFT: BYLADEM1NMA, IBAN: DE45 7605 2080 0000 1888 88, USt-IdNr. DE195230568, Registergericht: Nürnberg, HRA 16386 Von: Ian Thomas [mailto:ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Januar 2017 18:02 An: 'Nakatanenga - Peter Hochsieder' <peter> Betreff: RE: Nakatanenga Rear Corners 90 Wichtigkeit: Hoch Hi Peter I am a bit disappointed that I have not had a reply to my e-mails since the first one sent on the 21-12-2017. Please advise what your intentions are if I do not get a reply by Monday I will take further actions as I am getting a little annoyed Regards Ian Thomas 01656772226 From: Ian Thomas [mailto:ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com] Sent: 10 January 2017 13:58 To: 'Brendan Brew' <brendan>; 'Nakatanenga - Peter Hochsieder' <peter> Subject: RE: Nakatanenga Rear Corners 90 Hi Peter/Brendan Peter – Happy New Year, can you confirm that you have had my previously e-mail and pictures Brendan was lovely talking to you earlier, As discussed and as per my e-mails below regarding my concerns that the rear wheel arch will rub against the leading edge of the bumper – it does As soon as I go above 50mph you can hear the panel resonating against the bumper, I done 75 miles today and it was well annoying. I have temporarily put sticky back velcro (the fluffy side) to act as a cushion as the paint is already getting damaged The only way I can see to resolve this without having to take out off the bumpers and cut them shorter is to make a bracket that will utilise the lower arch rivet point and take this bracket back to the rear chassis member picking up the bolts that hold the rear seat anchor points to try and hold the rear panel firmly away from the bumper Please see attached picture indicating where I have put the sticky back Velcro to try and stop the resonating/rubbing Regards Ian 01656772226 07988084679 From: Ian Thomas [mailto:ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com] Sent: 28 December 2016 17:49 To: 'Brendan Brew' <brendan>; 'Nakatanenga - Peter Hochsieder' <peter> Subject: FW: Nakatanenga Rear Corners 90 Importance: High Hi Pete & Brendan I managed to fit the corners with mud flaps I made quite a good job of it, with cut outs to both the corners and the stainless steel mudflap brackets Please see attached the pictures I sent the other day and a word document which has pictures embedded. Please note in particular the last picture in the word document , The front edge of the tube is tapered and the pointy bit WILL rub against the paintwork of the wheel arch (eyebrow) as the wind at speed will causes the arch to move about and rub I must admit I am quite (very) disappointed with these Spent approx. 8hrs fluffing and fitting them Regards Ian 07988084679 From: Ian Thomas [mailto:ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com] Sent: 23 December 2016 13:30 To: 'Nakatanenga - Peter Hochsieder' <peter> Subject: FW: Nakatanenga Rear Corners 90 Hi Pete Been looking at the corners to the 90 and think I can get them to fit with the mud flaps See below e-mail particularly that in Red and the pictures attached. Are you happy that this will not affect the structural integrity of the corners too much Merry Christmas Ian From: Ian Thomas [mailto:ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com] Sent: 23 December 2016 13:03 To: 'Brendan Brew' <brendan> Subject: RE: Nakatanenga Rear Corners 90 Hi Brendan, sorry to bounce e-mails just trying to come up with options as I’m like a child in a sweet shop 5mm stainless awfully hard to cut if you don’t want to damage the paint. The slot will have to be 50mm long and min 15mm wide to accommodate the mud flap and bracket Options Cut Nak corners - I have a plasma cutter which will wreck the paint - Could try and angle grinder but will have to keep the metal cool - Hacksaw will not touch such thick stainless plate, would take a week of Sundays - The driver side mud flap rubber may have to be trimmed back ever so slightly to the top face whilst the passenger side mud flap rubber would not as it is shaped for the exhaust outlet Cut mud flap brackets - 50mm notch required as per the pictures I sent, the new stainless mud flap brackets have a reinforcing brace which should compensate for the notch – maybe - The driver side mud flap rubber may have to be trimmed back ever so slightly to the top face whilst the passenger side mud flap rubber would not as it is shaped for the exhaust outlet Or mixture of both - Put a 25mm long notch in the corner 20 mm wide and take 25mm off the corner of the mud flap bracket. - Using a 20mm mm drill bit to this will only leave 5mm to cut with a hacksaw which would be doable (1 Sunday lol) I think this would be the best option and this is what I will probably do – see pictures attached Christmas Hugs Hope you and your wife have a lovely one Ian From: Brendan Brew [mailto:brendan@4x4overlander.com] Sent: 23 December 2016 11:49 To: Ian Thomas <ian> Subject: RE: Nakatanenga Rear Corners 90 Hi Ian, Just got off the phone to Peter. It was basically a social call and we did not even talk about any business issues at all. Now in my opinion better to notch the corner protector then the mud flap bracket. Will see wht Peter comes up with in the New Year. All the best for 2017 Brendan -- Brendan Brew Sent with Airmail On 23 December 2016 at 11:23:47, Ian Thomas (ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com) wrote: Hi Lovely Brendan and your fab supplier Pate (Nakatanenga) Been looking ta the rear corners and fitting them with the mud flaps Only way to get then to fit is to cut out a notch in the mud flap bracket. I have stainless steel mud flap brackets so cutting them will not cause them to rust, my brackets also have strengthener which will assist with the stability of the notched mud flap bracket. This strengthener will also have to be trimmed See pictures of the rear right hand side bracket, I have taken pictures from both the front and the rear of the bracket Can you think of way other way of doing this ? Regards -----Original Message----- From: Nakatanenga - Peter Hochsieder [mailto:peter@nakatanenga.de] Sent: 21 December 2016 16:36 To: ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com Subject: AW: Nakatanenga 4x4-Equipment: Kundenanfrage von ian thomas Hi, yes, we were not aware of it as well until today. We are working on a new metal fitting to use the original mud flaps. It will take a couple of weeks because of the holidays. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Peter Hochsieder Achtung: Um Ihre Antwort besser zuordnen zu können, möchten wir Sie bitten, die vorangegangene Korrespondenz dieser e-Mail nicht zu löschen. NAKATANENGA 4x4-EQUIPMENT, Inh. Peter Hochsieder e.K., Ludwig-Erhard-Ring 30, 92348 Berg b. Neumarkt, phone +49 9181 466 644, fax +49 9181 40 77 60, www.nakatanenga.de, peter@nakatanenga.de, Sparkasse Neumarkt, BLZ 760 520 80, Kto Nr. 188 888, BIC/SWIFT: BYLADEM1NMA, IBAN: DE45 7605 2080 0000 1888 88, USt-IdNr. DE195230568, Registergericht: Nürnberg, HRA 16386 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ian thomas [mailto:ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2016 17:27 An: info@nakatanenga.de Betreff: Nakatanenga 4x4-Equipment: Kundenanfrage von ian thomas Anfrage-Formular Nakatanenga.de Anrede: Lord Vorname: ian Nachname: thomas eMail: ian.k.thomas@btinternet.com Telefon: 01656772226 Frage: Ich habe folgende Fragen zum Artikel Nakatanenga Eckenschützer, Set, für Land Rover Defender 90/110 Defender 90 Hi I have bought from Brendan (4x4 Overlander) the corners for my 90. I did not realise they were not compatible with the rear mud flaps which I desperately need. Can you advise if you are making anything to allow the mud flaps to be fitted 
Regards Ian |
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11th Feb 2017 1:30pm |
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| Iktank Member Since: 08 Nov 2014 Location: Porthcawl Posts: 237
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Seeing that 4x4 Overlander replies on here and not to my e-mails and I have just read your post and I assume you are not going to supply the info I have requested (please note it has been requested twice regarding the length of the return.)?
I assume from your post you are not considering my offer? A no reply here as well as no reply to my my e-mail you posted I assume we will be taking things further. I am therefor proposing to approach small claims court and will notify you early next week More cherry picked comments Me - "Sorry but appear to be ignoring what I have written" Brendan - "It is extremely simple, I do not have the time or energy to respond in great detail to all your emails." Regards Ian |
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11th Feb 2017 1:46pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5117 
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Brendan I applaud your patience in this matter, (and no I am not part of the Brendan fan club) I just call things as I see them.
I am no litigation expert but I feel once a product has been altered by a customer to fit I would think the ownness is on them and the supplier could refuse to accept a return because its saleability is now reduced. And while I understand that the purchaser is miffed as being supplied a product which he considers is not fit for purpose, I would have thought the sensible thing to do would have been to return the said item for a refund or at the very least wait until permission is given to self-engineer a solution. 4x4 Outlander in my opinion has gone out of their way to rectify the matter even to the point of an absorbed loss of over £400.00 and I am sure because of the alterations they do not have to. I also think that a court would find the whole thing ludicrous and I feel that a small claims court would find the case for compensation unproved owing to the nature of the supplier’s responses and the purchaser’s actions. Take the refund if it is still on the table and draw a line under this otherwise you will either be throwing good money after bad or worse end up going round and round in circles. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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11th Feb 2017 2:06pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6772  
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I don't think you will have a chance in court as you just said it was your 1/4 panel that would need securing to stop it resonating on the new bumper corners and causing damage so that's a fault with your vehicle and not the part provided. As above, if the offer of a refund is still available you should take it and run before you end up paying for court costs too. Does the losing party have to pay for the others legal bills? Ray
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11th Feb 2017 5:21pm |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4801 
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Not with businesses unfortunately, that's why so many petty people take businesses to court over petty and ridiculous things
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11th Feb 2017 5:32pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17715 
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Iktank, what are you actually hoping to achieve with this thread?
If it is to advise us you had a problem with this product, you have now done so. You've already rejected a full refund, so it can't be an attempt to get that. If it is an attempt to sully the reputation of Overlander 4x4 and/or Nakatanenga, it seems to be failing since it is eliciting more comments supportive of them than you. If it is an attempt to make you appear a bitter and grumpy person with unrealistic expectations and poor judgement, then it has worked rather well. I doubt, however, that that is quite what you had in mind. Whatever the intention, may I respectfully suggest that the time has come to continue your negotiations with Brendan in private? |
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11th Feb 2017 6:23pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6661 
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This needs to be taken off the forum.
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11th Feb 2017 6:26pm |
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