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| biffabacon67 Member Since: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Northumberland Posts: 67   
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Travelled from North east down to Lincoln on Christmas day. As we neared Darlington on the A1 clutch pedal hits the floor and fails to come back up. Call to AA and the guy (A very nice man!!!) meets us an hour and a bit later as we get off the A1 at the junction A46. Land rover trailered to Marshalls in Lincoln. Not open so have to leave it on the road outside.
Service closed until 28th, so keys left with sales on the 27th and head home in my Brother in laws car. Told it was the clutch master cylinder so has it replaced on the 30th at over £400!!! Brother in law collected it on 31st (as i wouldn't be able to get there before they closed at 1)and drove 2 miles to his house. I drove down after work yesterday (31st) to collect it. Everything fine. Now, when i pull into the local garage to re-fuel i notice that when i use the fob to lock it, it now toots the horn at me twice as if the door is open (none are!) Carry on my journey as i head north and get onto the A1 notice a different feel too the clutch operation but think it is because it is new. A1 is just 6th all the way home but as i get to my turn off by the metro centre clutch fails again! No pressure. Lever to the floor. I manage to coax it home and dump it on the drive. What do you reckon? Feeling fleeced!!! |
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1st Jan 2017 1:29pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2641 
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£400 to replace a part you can get for £30!? Wow...
Check fluid level first as above. And see if there's a leak either down the pedal (master cylinder) or under the vehicle (slave cylinder). Or could be in the pipework also. Could also be poor fitting, i.e. adjustment setting failed or a loose union etc. |
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1st Jan 2017 3:14pm |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443  
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The master cylinder is pretty damned easy to do, just getting to the bolts holding the pedal box on the bulkhead from inside the dash. The actual part is one of the few things that has been a common part throughout the whole run of Defenders, might well be the same as the Series before. The last one I did cost me a tenner as I knew it was on its way out and I picked it up from one of the shows earlier in the year.
Brake Master Cylinder is a different ball game, that's probably what they've charged you for! |
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1st Jan 2017 7:27pm |
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| biffabacon67 Member Since: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Northumberland Posts: 67
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13.2 volts at the battery on a very cold morning, engine not running 15 volts at the battery with engine running. Battery in fob replaced in June, tried spare fob. Same , two toots. |
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2nd Jan 2017 6:11pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
OK next door not closed or door puller switch shorted to neg with door closed
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2nd Jan 2017 6:48pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
I feel your pain! If this happened on your driveway on a Summer's day then a DIY repair would have been relatively simple and cheap. However, you suffer a problem at peak holiday period and pay top dollar for a prompt repair - then find out you still have problems and are £400 out of pocket. I'd be back on the phone to the dealer looking for some seasonal goodwill. |
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2nd Jan 2017 9:20pm |
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| biffabacon67 Member Since: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Northumberland Posts: 67
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If it had been any other time of year and nearer home, i probably would have had a go myself. But Christmas day fully loaded, with six occupants and on our way to my Brother in laws for Christmas dinner, i was stuffed!!!
They are picking it up tomorrow on a flat bed and dropping off a courtesy car. Seems bit mental to me, to send a trailer from Lincoln, to pick it up from Northumberland, take it back to Lincoln, have a look at it, and trailer it back again. Great customer service though!! |
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3rd Jan 2017 4:30pm |
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| pme Member Since: 06 Jan 2016 Location: cambridge and mainly ariege Posts: 49 
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as it is the ford based concentric slave cylinder it could be the the tee piece that connects into the slave cylinder, there is a ball valve to reduce some kind of resonance issue.it took the garage three attempts to get it right First time, the slave, second time the pipe from master to slave, third time the peak torque limiter
please ensure you let us all know the final fix bon chance |
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3rd Jan 2017 7:40pm |
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| pme Member Since: 06 Jan 2016 Location: cambridge and mainly ariege Posts: 49
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Any information on the fix for this? Is it still busted?
Thanks |
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18th Jan 2017 9:35am |
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| biffabacon67 Member Since: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Northumberland Posts: 67
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Sorry its taken me so long for an update but other stuff has been taking priority lately.
Long story short. Garage in Lincoln replaced the master cylinder, which fixed it for a while, first long journey clutch was back to the floor again. Garage re-bled the system, this time it lasted five weeks. No obvious signs of a leak anywhere, and reservoir still full. Lasted 6 days Clutch back to the floor and staying there. I can fix it for a while by crawling underneath and bleeding the system but it only lasts a day or two. Bell housing dry. Master cylinder dry. No sign of fluid loss, but it is sucking in air from somewhere. It always seems to occur after on a longish journey on a dual carriageway or motorway where no gear changing/clutch use is involved. You go to change gear to get off and it just hits the floor and stays there. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Cheers Steve |
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19th Feb 2017 4:26pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769 
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Slave cylinder seals gone? Ray
My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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19th Feb 2017 4:37pm |
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| biffabacon67 Member Since: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Northumberland Posts: 67
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I'm truly stumped. If the slave cylinder were leaking then i would expect a drip/damp patch on the bottom of the bell housing,
but nothing. It has been suggested that it may be the slave cylinder adapter (UGN500020) that is leaking/faulty. As far as i can see it can really only be that or the slave cylinder. Dropping it off tomorrow at the local garage for them to investigate. hopefully they will get to the bottom of it. |
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19th Feb 2017 4:45pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
Note with replacement slave cylinder kit for 2.4 defender to fit new slave cylinder adapter
 this has a Control Valve good luck |
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19th Feb 2017 4:54pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769
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It may not be leaking it could just be the seals inside letting brake fluid past the plunger Ray
My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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19th Feb 2017 5:42pm |
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