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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888   
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I think it would be a risk to move prior to the 2017 season. In many ways the new rules mean a reset for everyone and Adrian Newey is rumoured to have something very special lined up for the 2017 Red Bull. If Max moves he could find himself in an inferior car.
Alonso, on the other hand, is already talking about a sabbatical to avoid driving a "GP2 engine" car again and he's probably the only world championship prospect that doesn't already have a potentially good car for 2017. Personally I'd love to see JB come back but I can't see that happening unfortunately. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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2nd Dec 2016 7:13pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769 
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Maybe this was the deal rosberg struck with Mercedes and Hamilton, if you let me win one world championship (by making hamiltons car brake) I'll leave quietly Ray
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2nd Dec 2016 7:39pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888
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I think you've spent too much time listening to Lewis' moaning. Nico won the world championship because he was faster, more consistent and was better at driving within the limits of the car. Remember he had some pretty harsh steward's decisions go against him as well which more than balanced out a single engine failure. Lewis is fast but has no thought or regard for keeping the car going which is why he had more reliability issues (he has ALWAYS had more reliability problems than his team mate, he had the same thing at McLaren). Lewis also had a LOT of luck this season or he wouldn't have been in contention for the title right up to the end, I can't think of a single penalty he received from the stewards despite some very dubious behaviour both in forcing others off the track and course cutting to maintain his position. He also managed to serve his massive "engine" penalty at one of the few races of the season where he could recover that far up the grid (third ?) by the end. An engine penalty which he got because he wore out the parts of his car quicker than his team mate did but, as well as a superb drive, he was also bloody lucky that it was just one of those races. Nico built his lead in the championship simply because he drove better from the start to the finish of the race. Lewis is consistently fast on a single lap but there's a reason that F1 races aren't decided in 2 or 3 laps but instead take up to 2 hours. It's never been about setting a single fast lap, it's about being the fastest to complete all the laps and in that respect Nico did a better job this year. remember Lewis only won a single race more than Nico (10 vs 9) and Nico made up the shortfall by being higher up the grid when he didn't win than Lewis was. Sadly we'll never know if Nico could do it again and maybe it's an argument that will be mulled over a few beers for years to come, like the "who's fastest, Senna, Schumacher or Prost" discussions that are still ongoing  2017 might not even be a MB year, we could be back to RB 1-2s for the whole season or even Ferrari ! http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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2nd Dec 2016 7:43pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888
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Same as with Max though, there's a real danger that the 2017 Mercedes won't be as good as the 2017 Red Bull or even Ferrari. The rule changes are so wide spread and biassed towards aero rather than power that the Mercedes is on the back foot.
Remember Adrian Newey took a back seat because he found the new era of power units not challenging enough to interest him. He's back though with the 2017 car which suggests to me that he's found some more magic, the sort that gave Red Bull such dominance previously. Would Daniel really want to take that risk at this point ? The worst feeling in the world must be to make the jump to the winning team of one season and then see the driver who took your old seat beat you ! Not saying that Mercedes won't be dominant again next year, it's just not a guarantee. That's why I see Alonso as the best fit unless they pull in a rookie, he's the only world championship contender left who has nothing to lose by leaving his current team. McLaren Honda are pretty much certain to spend next year fighting for points with the also rans and he's been talking about a sabbatical. I have to post this here though, from Facebook...  http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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2nd Dec 2016 9:51pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829  
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Metaphorically speaking, he chose not to be at the GP itself and leave Nico to it, which I think is a bit strange. Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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3rd Dec 2016 8:45am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2530  
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Hopefully the rule changes for 2017 will mean that MB, RB and SF will all have equally competitive cars. Hamilton, Vettel, Raikkonen, Ricciardo and Verstappen all fighting for the championship - now that would be good to watch. Surely MB Board will be pushing for a German driver to fill the empty seat or could Toto Wolffe push for Bottas as he has connections through his management team? Defender 90XS SW
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3rd Dec 2016 8:57am |
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| Disco_Mikey Member Since: 16 Nov 2014 Location: Dundee Posts: 531  
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It will be a rookie driver I expect taking the empty seat, leaving Hamilton as the clear No1 driver in the team. I'm thinking along the lines of Wehrlein
Adrian Newey will build an amazing car for 2017, still down on Merc power but with incredible aero to keep pace Ferrari will then be "best of the rest" Usual midfield battles between Williams/Toro Rosso/Force India and hopefully McLaren Usual grid fillers at the bottom end |
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3rd Dec 2016 9:09am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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Disagree. Nico deserves the title because at the end of the season he was on top. No more than that I'm afraid, as the stats for the season say otherwise. Of head to heads, where both drivers finished the race, Lewis came out on top 11 times, Nico 6. Of qualys, Lewis won 12, Nico 8, and Lewis didn't even take part in three. Of those qualys Lewis was on average 0.14 seconds faster, a huge amount in F1 terms. Lewis won 10 races to Nico's 8, and his DNF came whilst he was leading and Nico second, so that could (I know, coulda, shoulda, woulda) have read 11-7. Lewis had a full mechanical DNF, plus two that dropped him back in the race, Nico none. And of the bad starts, Lewis had 6 but Nico also had two, so arguably only four of Lewis's races were affected by that, yet he still won more. Simply put, Lewis was still the faster driver this year, by some margin. And without any one of the mechanicals, let alone three, he would have won the championship comfortably. As I said, Nico deserves it because he came top and all drivers, teams and fans know mechanical failures are a necessary evil in the sport and the drivers accept that element of bad luck. But I think Nico knows that there is no chance he will have such a run of good luck, or Lewis bad, again and there'll be no such disparity between the cars as it was an exceptional run of bad luck. Once in a generation, which swung the Championship in his favour. Like for like he stands no chance of winning another title whilst running the same car as Lewis, so get out at the top of your career, don't risk being pilloried by the press next year as the World Champ who couldn't back up his title and don't take risks when his family are so obviously important to him. The fastest man didn't win, the paddock's best driver didn't win, but the man with the title still deserves it. And talking of the paddock, with next year's rule changes possibly nullifying Mercedes current advantage, Nico would not only have Lewis to contend with, but also Vettel, Ricciardo and of course Verstappen. In 2017 he might well be finishing up fifth or lower.... Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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3rd Dec 2016 9:13am |
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| Capt_Steve Member Since: 10 Jan 2012 Location: Ross on Wye Posts: 39 
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I have to agree, Monsieur Le Grenadier
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3rd Dec 2016 10:14am |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096
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Actually no. I don't watch, read or listen to post race stuff generally. My opinion was formed from the stats as stated by Grenadier and from watching the races. One cannot argue the fact that Nico built up a head start this season only for Lewis to catch up and overtake - just like he did on the track - in the championship. One engine failure when Lewis was leading, changed the focus and that's F1. Nico took the championship, but only just and not because he was a better driver imho. You could argue he was smoother (I don't deny that) and more consistent - but one can also argue about conspiracy theories, changes of mechanics and team orders. One interesting point, that hasn't been mentioned is Lewis backing the pack up in order for people to get between him and Nico yet no one took that opportunity, despite running very very slowly. I wonder if there was a reluctance by other drivers to do that? New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info Last edited by Projectblue on 3rd Dec 2016 6:57pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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3rd Dec 2016 12:38pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3511 
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I believe Bernie Ecclestone was the winner, and has been for quite a few seasons now
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3rd Dec 2016 1:13pm |
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