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| Mother superior Member Since: 05 Aug 2013 Location: Surrey Posts: 504  
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You could still get series bits easily ten years after they stopped making them so I'm hoping that you will be able to do the same with the Puma....Oh and when they kill off diesel, can I have a supercharged V6 or V8 please (not fussed which) Oh woe, oh woe
My crusty old landrover, It will not go. |
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20th Sep 2016 7:45am |
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| Jonno Member Since: 06 Mar 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 234 
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I suspect the days of long parts availability from the manufacturer may be over. I heard quite some years back that ford sold off all their parts for the Focus mk1 RS. OK somebody else will be selling them but it sounds like production of parts is over.
I have heard conflicting info about the Puma in the defender, but as far as I am aware things like oversize pistons are not available and it is likely a throw away engine like most modern motors. I suspect it will be bits like timing chains and tensioner that might be problematic getting hold of, but time will tell. It's a pity fitting alternative engines is also a nightmare due to the instrument cluster etc, but you never know somebody might come up with a solution. Jonno |
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21st Sep 2016 6:41am |
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| Jukathy Member Since: 25 Jan 2015 Location: Berlin Posts: 170 
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I suspect original parts will be available. JLR announced to support the Defender (even the Puma) in future.
http://www.landrover.co.uk/above-and-beyon...itage.html |
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21st Sep 2016 8:05am |
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| tuesdayfox Member Since: 23 Jun 2013 Location: Sydney,OZ Posts: 129 
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the 2.2 engine cost $6000 at the moment.
technology will improve and ten years later we will have better, more efficient and powerful engine. with money, you can drop whatever engine you preferred and always keep your defender alive also with regards of parts, I will imagine one day CNC machine will be cheap or we can simply have a metal printer at home. so just scan the original part and print one out..... |
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25th Sep 2016 2:13am |
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| tuesdayfox Member Since: 23 Jun 2013 Location: Sydney,OZ Posts: 129
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the 2.2 engine cost $6000 at the moment.
technology will improve and ten years later we will have better, more efficient and powerful engine. with money, you can drop whatever engine you preferred and always keep your defender alive also with regards of parts, I will imagine one day CNC machine will be cheap or we can simply have a metal printer at home. so just scan the original part and print one out..... |
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25th Sep 2016 2:14am |
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| Tompoole Member Since: 05 Jun 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 827  
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Merc 606 or Isuzu lump Have fun be happy
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25th Sep 2016 9:19am |
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| Thon Member Since: 22 Nov 2015 Location: Salisbury Plain Posts: 696
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Yes I think it will be still 2.4 tdci, as far as anyone can tell the future .
I'll be buying a 2nd hand motor in the next year and rebuilding it as a spare, probably the same with ecu's, etc. I want this one to last the next 30 years so I'm prepared to invest in it. I don't think it's an intrinsically poor engine, quite the opposite, so I'm not expecting to have to use the spare. |
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29th Sep 2016 8:14pm |
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| SingletrackFred Member Since: 23 Mar 2015 Location: Reading Posts: 66 
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In 10 years time we will be able to have any part 3D printed, in any material. I wouldn't worry about spares.
Just look after it in the meantime. |
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29th Sep 2016 9:11pm |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324 
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I think that is wishful thinking...
True for many parts, but some critical ones will have mechanical and thermal characteristics built in during the manufacturing steps that we aren't privy to (casting/forging, NC turning/mill etc.), I could imagine fitting a part, driving for some distance, smile on face just before it crumbles to pieces and then destroys parts B & C in the vicinity. In fact, as clever as you can get in a foundry, many parts are designed around the manufacturing process involved. Always made me cringe watching engineering students mimicking cast/forge design artefacts when designing in CAD for 3D printed parts. They completely missed the point that they are relatively free to design more optimally with the 3D printer (ignoring for the moment the new but different constraints that a 3D printer introduces...). 
Maybe in 15~20 years there will be a nice database/consensus on how to reverse manufacture parts for vehicles, but it will be niche and for enthusiasts, most collective design thinking will have moved on to electric. One man's opinion... happy to be proved wrong Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...Last edited by agentmulder on 30th Sep 2016 5:35am. Edited 1 time in total |
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29th Sep 2016 10:40pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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To answer OP question. Why would it not be? I have all reason to think that I can keep it running, with respect, on its original 2.4 Tdci motor for much longer than another 10 years. And that in pristine condition.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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30th Sep 2016 12:43am |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324
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Lots of reasons that the question may become relevant for some of us
Because use you may have bought one as a third owner. Because you didn't maintain it. Because you got a dud. Because because... Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants... |
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30th Sep 2016 12:48am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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First owner, top proactive maintenance ,clearly not a dud, and drive, treat, store it with lots of respect.
Some here say that my SVX does not get used for what it was built for. But I don't think the Puma was ever built for what people call "purpose". 
And then hey ho, off-roading and green laning, even poorly maintained tarmac roads are illegal in Switzerland anyway. Not even sure that dirty or muddy cars are legal here. 
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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30th Sep 2016 1:09am |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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It will be additive manufacture that makes it easier and cheaper to keep classic alive in future. Scan the part, refine the detail and press 'print'. Not quite that simple but its coming, Renishaw have an additive manufactured mountain bike made of titanium. I'm told it cost £27k but its an interesting development. Serious companies are investing serious money so the costs will fall over time.
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30th Sep 2016 6:51am |
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| BigWheels Member Since: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 1405 
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Motor will be, but may be re-mapped. Also may have an auto box by then
Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender |
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