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Spookytooth



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Young pine trees
I am in the process of buying a house which has a run of approx 200 ft by 45ft of pine trees attached. They are still young although easily 15ft tall. They are very densely planted and create a very dark foreboding presence. I am looking to clear them efore they get any bigger and just before I call the bulldozer in I was wondering if there was any practical way of harvesting them myself as I am assuming the patch is too small and the trees too young to interest a saw mill. Just wondering if anyone has done similar. Thanks.
Post #549135 16th Jul 2016 10:37am
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Retroanaconda



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Yes probably too small for anything of value, and likely not enough volume. If you could scrape together a lorry load (~25 tonnes) then you might sell it as chip wood or fuel wood. Or just cut it as firewood yourself if it's of use to you.

You may need a felling licence to remove that area of trees, would be worth checking. There are various exceptions so you may be ok - check with your local FC office to be sure.
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Assuming a normal planting density for conifers you're probably looking at between 200 and 350 trees in total? (this assuming I've got my maths right) Quite a lot to cut for firewood for your own use if you want it cleared quickly, especially if you're not used to cutting and processing trees. At that sort of size I'd think it's unlikely you'd get anywhere near a lorry load to take for chip and it wouldn't be cost effective anyway. You might be able to get someone in to cut and chip on site which would get rid of the trees and leave a clear site bar the stumps.

Do you want to clear all the trees? You could thin it out to leave a more open wood or even just a few trees to grow on in the open. If you're going down this route do it quickly before the trees get too big and will still stand up during a wind.

Felling licenses tend to depend on the volume of timber being removed rather than the area being cleared, you'd be wise to consult the local FC office to check - you may have to do some measuring to determine the volume. You're less likely to need a license if you're only thinning as the threshold tree size is larger, but still best to check. Dirty Deeds - Done Dirt Cheap
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Don't rush to remove them as you may find they are actually quite a lot of a wind break and were sited deliberately especially if they are very densely placed. You may yet be glad of them in winter when the weather is horrible. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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custom90



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^^^^ Very true, possibly look into thinning out and leaving a few instead?
Also as mentioned, check you are not in an AONB and thus various restrictions and that there is no TPO's on them.
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I think I would be wanting to move into the house before making a decision on the trees. As Lambert says there may be a good reason why they have been planted. Have you spoken to the current owner to find out why they were planted. Defender 90XS SW
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Post #549158 16th Jul 2016 1:45pm
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Retroanaconda



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Felling license exemptions here:

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/infd-6dfkw6

If you do need a license they are not difficult to get, though you will generally be obliged to restock the area unless you can give very good reason why not to.
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I have a small wood on my land mostly common Oaks, Limes and Birch the wood looks after itself; of course most of the trees are mature so with the exception of looking for disease I leave well alone. The trees offer tremendous shelter from winds and protect the cottage from the worst of the weather and are a great sound barrier. The wood is also home to nesting birds

I would just thin and let the trees get on with it, remember that it illegal to cut down any tree where nesting birds occupy the tree, so to make doubly sure wait until the end of October November before you do any lopping or felling.



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lambert.the.farmer



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Pretty spot you have there. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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gilarion



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Thank you. Smile For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

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Spookytooth



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Thanks everyone, just checked, the patch is actually 330 yds x 15 yds so a little bigger than my first guess, however, as I am only in the purchase process at the moment and therefore I can't get too worked up about it, anything can go wrong up to completion, just aware that if I do need to do anything about it (and my wife says I really do!) then I need to do it while the trees are are still young. Forgot to mention the property is a second home in France and subject to confirmation the mayor said I do not need permission to chop them down, he believes they were originally planted under a government subsidy to replant pine. (Obviously solicitor to check all this out before accepting anyone's word for it).

Gilarion - on a separate note I enjoyed your video of the North Wales Coast Path, I was up there in the mist less than 2 weeks ago visiting the Druids Circle and the many other neolithic sites spread out across the path; boy can in rain in North Wales! Next day we walked from Rowen up over the track towards Abergwyngregyn once again chasing the megaliths up there and it was hot as hell, total contrast, beautiful part of the world, you are very lucky to live up there.
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Yes I know how lucky I am. Rain we get plenty that’s why it so green, however we also gets a fair amount of sun as well.

I am glad you liked the video, did you see any of the wild horses up there, most of the mares have foals at the moment so they tend to shy away from walkers but they are a wondrous site when you see them gallop across the tops . For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

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Spookytooth



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Apologies

330 ft x 45 ft, hope I can get it right before I sign up!

Gilarion - yes saw some of them and the foals although now almost as big as the mares, lovely to see,
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languedoc



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Depending on which area of France you are, I may know people who will cut them up and share the firewood so it costs you nothing and get a few years of free heating
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Spookytooth



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Now that sounds very good! Thank you.

If everything goes through I'll drop you a private post, even if I am a little too far away in the Perigord Limousin Natural Park for your contacts, I would be interested to know what kind of deal is considered fair with such an arrangement.
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