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blackwolf



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I suspect that Obama's imappropriate comments will have had the opposite effect to that he - at least superficially - was aiming to achieve, and convinced a number of the undecided to vote OUT.

Perhaps he was in fact playing a subtle double-bluff and trying to boost the OUT vote, knowing the level of anger and revulsion his comments would cause. Then again, perhaps not. US presidents are not renowned for being clever, not in recent years anyway.
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walfy wrote:
ARC99 wrote:
What right has the leader of any foreign country to come to this Country of ours and tell us what to do. Thousands gave there lives in two world wars to keep the world free from German rule. Some of our elected leaders have seen fit to just give away what those lives prevented, and they have the turned up at the Cenotaph each year and laid wreaths to the memory of the fallen. What a mockery.

Do I want German rule? NO!
Do I want to be in the EU? NO!
Do I want to be protected by German armed forces that Merkel wants? NO!

Do I want to be British ? YES!
Do I want to be free? YES!


Which way will I votes? You have a guess.


I'm with you on this. Isn't it just this last week or so it was announced that either a Dutch or Belgian Tank Corps was being placed under control of the germans? Just the start of the European Army that will weaken any Nations ability to defend itself.


/\/\/\But what "threat" are you perceiving?? There will never be another "world war",ever.Russia has so many billionaires,they will quite simply NOT allow Putin (who is also a Billionaire,many times over) to start a world war.The biggest threat of nuclear annihilation is from North Korea,China is North Korea's best friend,China also has many billionaires who also won't let NK start a war,China has criticised NK quite a lot,proving they can keep them under check.

As for which is the better country to live in,it appears the Germans have learned from their mistakes (which is the true sign of intelligence) and is now one of the best countries in the world to live in.I would be more than happy to align myself with Germany than with any other country. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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I didn't refer to any threat. My point was that the Euro Army is getting closer. I understand the need for exchange posts. Long Look is with the Ozzies, you go there for 2 yrs and learn integration. We have US and French senior officers attached to the Brit army but thats it. The odd person in a HQ or Fd unit. But to place a whole unit under the command of another nation is a bit beyond what the EU is about.
My Sqn was selected to conduct an exchange with a foreign unit when I was serving. This was the early 90's. They were building a Bailey bridge and didn't quite understand the build process. My Sqn stepped up and finished off the build, building more bridge in less time than jonny foreigner had done.
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I dont know if we would join that military approach remaining in Europe anyway or if its a bad thing...but would you not want to be part of the club with that unit rather than the tiny country on the fringe? Mike
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NO.
I was very proud to of served in the most professional Army in the world. I wouldn't want to be put under control of a foreign nation.
This is a slippery slope to 1 Army across the EU zone. This is not a good thing.
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Firstly we have a good army - the best, maybe, good PR maybe...but regardless moving to one - i doubt that would happen, it hasnt with the euro, why would we think it is with a european army.

Would i mind too much? possibly - does this have any bearing on being in the EU now - Not in the slightest.

Anyway, we need to think of what that might mean for us if it happens at the time of this hypothetical Mike
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