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| RED-DOT Member Since: 29 Jun 2009 Location: stirling Posts: 2363  
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Starter motor failure. 2008 RS4 gone, 123d M Sport, and a Puma 90 XS..
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1st Mar 2016 6:04pm |
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| Soupy Member Since: 05 Dec 2014 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 68 
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Hi, thanks for the reply.
Is that likely to cause multiple issues then? |
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1st Mar 2016 6:06pm |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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Hopefully this should link to a wiring diagram:
https://onedrive.live.com/?id=4BC2D89C85C7...9C85C7C171 Sounds to me like the supply to the ignition switch - does the dash "turn on" when you turn the key on? The OBD won't work until the ignition is turned on and the sidelights will work but no headlights until the ignition is turned on either. |
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2nd Mar 2016 1:43pm |
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| Noiseydave Member Since: 27 Dec 2015 Location: West Midlands Posts: 43 
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Has similar on a 2008 90
Turned out to be ignition switch and a relay under the drivers seat but i can not remember which one |
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2nd Mar 2016 2:02pm |
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| Soupy Member Since: 05 Dec 2014 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 68
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Got there in the end.
Fitted a new starter (£150  ) no difference.
Hooked the hawkeye to the AS10, there were about 5 immobilisers listed, one of which was enabled. Disabled it and she fired. Can connect to the ECU now too. 
Just the headlights to go  |
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2nd Mar 2016 2:29pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Did you fit the new starter yourself?
Given you had no power to the lights, I would have expected a garage to investigate that before swapping out a starter motor. Not tried to do it on a Puma engine but could not not have ruled the starter motor out insitu by using jumper cables directly to it from your battery. OK the fuel pump and other systems may have prevented the engine starting but the starter motor may have kicked into life? |
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3rd Mar 2016 11:05am |
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| RED-DOT Member Since: 29 Jun 2009 Location: stirling Posts: 2363
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Ford starters are made of cheese and over worked. I reckon only a pickpocket could successfuly hit the +ve terminal without a firework display? Sorry if i misdiagnosed your fault. 2008 RS4 gone, 123d M Sport, and a Puma 90 XS..
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3rd Mar 2016 12:35pm |
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| Soupy Member Since: 05 Dec 2014 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 68
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Fitted myself. I upgraded to a Bosch starter anyway so no problem really.
The fault came back!!  with the immobiliser kicking back in.
Got to the bottom of it (hopefully). Bad earth! |
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3rd Mar 2016 3:31pm |
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| Soupy Member Since: 05 Dec 2014 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 68
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F****** M*****F******* Piece of F****** S***
Won't start again!! The temp gauge has gone shooting up and it won't turn over!!! |
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3rd Mar 2016 3:53pm |
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| Soupy Member Since: 05 Dec 2014 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 68
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Sorted phew!
Some wally (i.e. me) hadn't got the wires seated on the starter properly making a bad connection. 
Got it now though! |
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3rd Mar 2016 5:14pm |
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| Soupy Member Since: 05 Dec 2014 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 68
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGH!!!
Came in again this morning, won't turn over. Only dash light is the battery and the temp gauge shoots off the scale! |
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4th Mar 2016 10:44am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
check all the earth connection
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4th Mar 2016 10:49am |
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| Soupy Member Since: 05 Dec 2014 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 68
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All (all the ones I could find anyway) are clean and tight.
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4th Mar 2016 11:40am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
under driver seat is starter motor relay third one from bulk head end one side of the coil feed from ignition switch and other from ECU ind switch feed from link 5 60 amp red arrow see if this relay orange arrow is clicking then you try to start the engine if not, wiring, fuse or ECU stopping relay from operating and starter from tuning
see diagram below  Click image to enlarge YWB500060 part number from the this relay (spec for the relay is 12volt 40 amp) if the relay is operates do you have multimeter to check volts out to the starter sol ? see diagram below Click image to enlarge |
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4th Mar 2016 2:35pm |
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