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| PCA42 Member Since: 15 Jun 2014 Location: Church Stretton Posts: 468   
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Today I have had my ST Maxx tyres swapped off the old Boost rims onto a brand new set of black "Wolf-Style" rims by my local tyre centre. However...
 Click image to enlarge As you can see in the picture, they have a ridiculous amount of lead weights fitted. One of them has 5 of the damn things on! The spare, which is a General Grabber, only has one small weight on. The shop made the excuse that it was just the size of the tyres, but they never had that many weights on on the Boosts. Could it be down to the quality of the rims, since they are 'copies'? Anyone else had this problem? Or would you guys say its the way the tyre centre have done it? Cheers Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  Pete
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23rd Jan 2016 8:58pm |
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| Romadog Member Since: 07 Jul 2011 Location: Powys Posts: 1749 |
Because they are copies - one reason why I sent mine back to supplier when I realised that what they advertised was not what they sent.
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23rd Jan 2016 9:08pm |
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| PCA42 Member Since: 15 Jun 2014 Location: Church Stretton Posts: 468
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I bought them knowing they were copies. But never knew they could be that far out of balance.
I wanted black, tubeless ones, and couldn't find any for a price that I call sensible.  Pete
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23rd Jan 2016 9:14pm |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3481  
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My 130 has factory ones and one has 4 weights from LR on. 1951 80" S1 2.0
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24th Jan 2016 9:24am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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They are an official accessory, so buy from a official JLR dealer and you get the real deal. You can order them there gloss white or gloss black. 
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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24th Jan 2016 9:59am |
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| YOLO110 Member Since: 14 Feb 2015 Location: Perth Oz and Stansted UK Posts: 1642 
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I would take the weights off and go to another tyre centre to have them re-balanced. If they are a long way out, they should be able to optimise the weighting by moving the deflated tyre on the rim so the separated out of balance points of the rim and the tyre are opposite... I cannot believe they could be THAT far out with all those weights required...  YOLO... You Only Live Once... |
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24th Jan 2016 10:29am |
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| Ramsay Member Since: 30 Sep 2015 Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 627  
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Weights are Zinc now not Lead so you need proportionally more of them.
That still seems a lot for a steel Land Rover wheel though. 1995 Defender 110 CSW 1971 SIIA Lightweight |
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24th Jan 2016 11:58am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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So how many grammes on each wheel? |
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24th Jan 2016 1:24pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347 
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Surely the way to tell would be to get them to see if the wheel it out of balance with no Tyre on it? Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
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24th Jan 2016 6:47pm |
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| PCA42 Member Since: 15 Jun 2014 Location: Church Stretton Posts: 468
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Some good points there. I think I shall have to go to another tyre place and see what they think. Annoying that I'll end up paying twice, but hey ho. Has anyone on here had experience with 'Dynabeads'? I was thinking that could be an option.
I took it for a drive today, and there's still a bad vibration between 56 and 60mph...
Here's the worst one (!!!): Click image to enlarge And a better pic from an actual camera of the the truck... Click image to enlarge Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated Pete
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24th Jan 2016 7:22pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Have you checked the inner rims also?
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25th Jan 2016 11:59am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17353 
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Interesting.
When I used to run BFG KM2 Muds on Boosts, when these were balanced I always ended up with masses of weights, and even then the balance didn't seem particularly good. With the Muds, there is always a tendency for them to become unbalanced as they wear too. When I changed to Blindos and had a set of brand new KM2s fitted, the tyre place was unable to balance the Blindos since the mounting spigot thingy for the balancing machine that they use for Boosts isn't suitable for the Blindos, and nothign else was available. I therefore took the wheels away without any balancing at all having been done, with the offer of returning for dynamic balancing beads to be put in if the wheels were unacceptable without. To my surprise, the wheels and tyres actually feel better balanced without any balancing having been carried out than any wheels and tyre combos I have had an the vehicle before! Sofar they have remained better as well (they;ve done somethign like 25k miles sofar). Now it is possible that i have just been incredibly lucky this time round, but on the basis of this experience I certainly won't be bothering with balancing next time round. |
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25th Jan 2016 2:35pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
I have previously shared my experience which involves going to a more high-tech tyre fitter who specialises in commercial vehicles - particularly Ford Transits (cone size for wheels on the balancing machine are the same). If the tyre fitter has an IQ above that of a stick of celery and can use a 'modern' technology balancing machine - then you can often compensate by adding extra weights on the inside of the rim out of sight. I find the pictures that you posted deeply disturbing in terms of the number of weights fitted. So my tip is to take the hit and go to a 'commercial' vehicle specialist and see if they can do a better job - shouldn't cost more than about £20 all in. It's also a possibility that your copy rims are just so poorly made that balancing them (with your tyre choice) is always going to be problematic. On the other hand the fitter might just have been clueless? I'm also surprised that the fitter didn't offer you black weights or even run an indelible black felt tip pen over the weights - end result looks crass. |
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31st Jan 2016 5:04pm |
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| PCA42 Member Since: 15 Jun 2014 Location: Church Stretton Posts: 468
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To update this, I went back to the same place earlier last week. I rang him and told told him my issue, so he said right; lets try it with the adapter I have at home... this makes the wheel sit on the machine as it would on a vehicle - no cone arrangement.
So I went back, and they re balanced them all, and there are a lot less weights on them now. Perhaps one or two on the front and back of the rim... like a lot of Wolfs I have seen. However, they are still imbalanced in the band between 55 and 65mph, right where you want to spend a lot of your time Results in a pretty horrid shaking at this speed. So I may have to still look at balancing beads? Pete
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31st Jan 2016 7:42pm |
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