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| Bushpig Member Since: 07 Nov 2013 Location: Risca, Wales Posts: 236   
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Is there anyway of checking the levels in the boxes, without having to drain the oil (with a MY12 Puma)?
Reason being that doing the whole draining process in the middle of nowhere, lying in the sand, will more than likely contaminate the oil and don't normally carry 2.5 liters of the various oils. I've trawled through the search function and draining seems to be the only answer. Some have mentioned using a piece of wire, but some say 2mm below filler plug, others say 50mm. Most of these posts are also a couple of years old. Hoping that someone out there has developed a foolproof method. Thanks in advance. Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. Douglas Adams 2012 2.2 Puma |
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20th Jan 2016 5:11am |
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| Bushpig Member Since: 07 Nov 2013 Location: Risca, Wales Posts: 236
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Thanks Marc for confirming my suspicions
When I do the next service, I'll try and figure something out. Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. Douglas Adams 2012 2.2 Puma |
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20th Jan 2016 3:34pm |
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| Rickydodah Member Since: 14 Jul 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 1091 |
The transfer box also has a specific capacity and is not filled as you'd think to the filler hole. After a lot of work particularly on the transfer box they are both oil tight.......for now. So, they were both filled to their correct respective capacities therefore should not require constant checking. The gearbox is a pig to fill anyway without a pump, so whenever I have reason to remove the shroud around the gear sticks I remove the filler plug to check, and all appears well....for now.
 I started with nothing and still have most of it left! |
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20th Jan 2016 5:04pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665  
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I'm sure I saw a thread on here that someone had measured the oil level from the gearbox filler, and said with the correct measure of oil, it was 3mm below the filler plug.
But I would just change it, put the correct amount in, and assuming no oil leaks, assume it's still OK to next change (at least that's what I do - change all fluids every couple of years....) Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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21st Jan 2016 10:21am |
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| Td5 Member Since: 29 Jun 2015 Location: Finland Posts: 53  
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Not a big deal, but very confusing.
LR says that LT230T and Q transfer box has oil capacity of 2,3l and that the oil filler plug is also the level plug. This from service manual. Now the Puma use also a LT230Q transfer box (LT230QRS) and has oil capacity of 2,3l, but in the s-manual is said specifically that the oil filler plug is not the level plug? Has LR moved the plug or what? Could somebody explain what was the reason for this change? Ashcroft? Brgds, Juha '96 300Tdi 90 '07 Puma 90 |
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26th Jan 2016 7:21am |
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| o4dn Member Since: 08 Jan 2010 Location: South West Posts: 545  
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I think due to the Puma engine being taller, the whole engine/GB/TB setup is not level, which explains why the filler plug is not the level plug anymore, even though the capacity remains the same. “A Land Rover immobilized is a moral defeat for the driver and bad publicity for the vehicle, […] it's up to you to do justice to your Land Rover!” - Land Rover Driving Technique.
-- 2009 2.4 Puma Defender 90 SW 1979 Land Rover Series 3 88" |
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26th Jan 2016 7:48am |
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| Td5 Member Since: 29 Jun 2015 Location: Finland Posts: 53
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OK, this would explain it. I'll check what is the difference in drive line angle,
300Tdi and Puma. As the Puma engine is tilted nose up and the fill plug is in the rear, the oil fill in t-box would be slightly less. There is no mention in the s-manual that the car should be rear up, tilted to compensate the drive line angle and then be able to fill 2,3l. Or is my reasoning wrong? To me this sound a bit theoretical, would this little less oil make a difference. And then the gearbox fill spec is less that in Mustang that have the same? box. Specially when you think about all the odd things that can be found in a Defender. Out of the subject, I also wonder, what it is in these cars, they are so poorly built and have numerous "stupidities" built in and I have 2 of these? Had a perfectly OK Skoda 4x4 as daily driver, but it was so boring so sold it and bought a Puma for daily driver. Probably I should have my head examined. Brgds, Juha '96 300Tdi 90 '07 Puma 90 |
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26th Jan 2016 8:45am |
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| Td5 Member Since: 29 Jun 2015 Location: Finland Posts: 53
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There is about 4 degree difference in 300Tdi and Puma.
The Puma engine is 7 degree nose up and 300Tdi 3 degrees. Measured comparing from front wing. Brgds, Juha '96 300Tdi 90 '07 Puma 90 |
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31st Jan 2016 4:02pm |
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| mees Member Since: 04 Mar 2011 Location: sdijk Posts: 38  
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My transfer box drain plug is leaking some oil. Nog much but it is leaking a small bit.
The plug seems to be tight enough. Recently the oil has been changed. Is it common that they start leaking a small bit after changing the oil? It seems that on a new plug there is some teflon sealing. Schould i buy a new plug? And what would be the part number for this plug. It's a Puma 2011. |
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31st Jan 2016 4:30pm |
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| Td5 Member Since: 29 Jun 2015 Location: Finland Posts: 53
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Normally they don't leak. I change transfer box oil at least
once a year and use same plug. The threads are tapered and seal without any sealant. Be careful, you can tighten is so tight that it can be very difficult to open. But if it's leaking, you should drain the oil and see why it's leaking. A new plug is one solution, but also a little Teflon wrapped around old plug would probably fix the leak. Look carefully that there is no crack around the drain hole. Brgds, Juha '96 300Tdi 90 '07 Puma 90 |
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31st Jan 2016 5:04pm |
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| mees Member Since: 04 Mar 2011 Location: sdijk Posts: 38
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Thanks for the info.
I will check it |
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31st Jan 2016 5:30pm |
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