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Do you declare modifications to your insurer?
Yes I declare everything
67%
 67%  [29]
Yes I declare but not everything
32%
 32%  [14]
Total Votes: 43

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RRUK
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Member Since: 31 Mar 2010
Location: Leicestershire
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OK, own up, do you declare all mods?
We all know that in general, the insurance industry is a licence to print money and legalised robbery. How can a quote differ in a day if it isn't made up?!

What I want to get a picture of via this poll is if you declare the modifications to your insurer to be on the safe side or, don't declare in order to keep the premium lower coz we know as soon as you say it's had anything changed, even newer alloys, or a spare wheel carrier, the apparent risk factor goes up and you pay more. It's crazy and I hate it.

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1998 110 TUM HS FFR Hard Top XD WOLF

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Post #489381 6th Jan 2016 10:03pm
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Caterham



Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6298

England 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
What mods Mr. Green
Post #489385 6th Jan 2016 10:07pm
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Stacey007



Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
Location: Cheshire
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Hello

Tell them everything,


My fear would be if you have an accident and god for bid taken away in an ambulance say... then your car is checked.


ooh different wheels, spacers, remap, etc etc...


VOID INSURANCE i would think...


simply not worth saving a few quid. Plus many specialist insurance companies are actually cheaper with mods declared than the normal compare the what not sites...

Adrian Flux were great when I have had modified cars.
Post #489388 6th Jan 2016 10:09pm
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RoddyK05



Member Since: 08 Apr 2015
Location: Inverclyde
Posts: 633

Scotland 2004 Defender 90 Td5 SW Yellow
Does ANY change need to be notified? For example, I have a roof rack and aftermarket Exmoor trim seats. Neither are a performance mod, both are made to suit the vehicle, so THEY are not modified although the vehicle consequently is. What level of stuff is the insurance company interested in - down to a rear work lamp or snow cowal, or stuff that can 'alter' the motor such as mentioned in a previous post eg wheel spacers, remap etc? I suppose the best answer would come from my insurers, but just interested to gauge the different opinions on here.
Post #489394 6th Jan 2016 10:22pm
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Stacey007



Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
Location: Cheshire
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^

The roof rack, seat covers, snow cowl etc could make low life's choose yours to take rather than one without...


I would suggest it would so would declare them.
Post #489396 6th Jan 2016 10:25pm
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Edzi



Member Since: 20 Sep 2015
Location: London
Posts: 279

United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Alaska White
Some insurance companies will look for any excuse not to pay out. My approach is to declare everything. I'd rather not give them an excuse!
Post #489397 6th Jan 2016 10:26pm
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Venomator



Member Since: 25 Aug 2014
Location: Peterborough
Posts: 2087

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Yes, of course...
I did when I insured the Keswick Special... Thumbs Up

But then, I would say that wouldn't I... Whistle

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Post #489400 6th Jan 2016 10:32pm
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Lambley



Member Since: 20 Apr 2013
Location: Mid Devon
Posts: 1435

United Kingdom 2006 Defender 90 Td5 HT Java Black
I declared ecu retune, wheels, tyres, intercooler, every upgrade I've done, plus made sure I upped the worth of the vehicle, it only made an extra £30 per year, no point in not declaring things as you may as well not be covered.
Post #489406 6th Jan 2016 10:44pm
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apt100



Member Since: 05 Mar 2015
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 1547

United Kingdom 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
Wasn't there a story last year where an insurance company claimed that a woman's stickers in the window where an undeclared modification and tried to refuse a claim?

I think the argument was the sticker may have been seen as potentially offensive and the claim was for vandalism (I think) so the argument was that the stickers made her vehicle more likely to be damaged and so was a higher risk. There is some logic in it.
It's not always about higher performance but also if you are a higher risk for theft, vandalism or if the mods put your repair costs up or cause more damage to another vehicle/person in the event of a collision.

edit...quick google... http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/how-stickers...ld-5244082
Post #489416 6th Jan 2016 11:06pm
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Mash



Member Since: 09 Feb 2015
Location: Guernsey
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Guernsey 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Nato Green
Yep declare it all on both the disco and the defender and my insurance went ......



Exactly the same no change to either, disco is modded with winch, steel bumpers front n rear, aux fuel tank, more candle powers than the sun etc and the defender has a hardtop instead of a soft top. 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html
110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html
52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html
D3 Hse - Fiona
Capri 2l S - Anna

Think I might have a problem............


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Post #489420 6th Jan 2016 11:27pm
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RobKeay



Member Since: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Stafford
Posts: 1579

United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
Seat Covers?
Post #489432 7th Jan 2016 12:02am
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WhiskyJackR



Member Since: 25 Nov 2014
Location: Lizard
Posts: 159

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If you don't declare everything then you allow the insurer to refuse any claim you make as you have not provided full disclosure of the risk to be insured.

Short term you get a lower premium, not always the case though. The insurer is happy for the business and to take your money, even happier when you make a claim and he discovers undisclosed items as then he doesn't have to pay out and still gets to keep your premium.

If you want your insurance to cover you when the Censored hits the fan then you must disclose everything that is relevant to their calculation of the premium. That is when is gets tough though, some items are obvious and some not. Which mods do they need to know about and which are irrelevant. Some would say that this is just a matter of common sense, I would suggest not. Insurers are not in the business to pay out on claims, they are in the business of taking premiums and holding on to as much of those premiums as they can, plain and simple. Insurers are not there to help you, they are there to make a margin just like any other business.

In short, if you want your insurance to be valid declare everything. They may not agree to insure you, fine, move on to the next, no harm no foul! Any farther South and I'll need to trade the Defender in for a Landing Craft Smile
Post #489437 7th Jan 2016 12:19am
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Lordsmut



Member Since: 28 Nov 2015
Location: Bucks
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England 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
Who is everyone insured with?!

I'm paying more now for insurance than I ever have because I declared my mods and I'm 33!
Post #489465 7th Jan 2016 6:24am
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Dave T



Member Since: 07 Jun 2013
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 490

United Kingdom 1994 Defender 90 300 Tdi SW Cairns Blue
I am with Heritage now, Lancaster last year, both had off road cover and all mods included inc chassis, wheels, tyres, snorkel, even cubby (as that reduced it to 4 seats) 2015 RRS Autobiography SDV6
1994 Def 90 300tdi
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stanley



Member Since: 18 Sep 2009
Location: Dorset /hampshire
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey
So what constitutes a MOD and what constitutes an Acessory?

My insurers , when I told them of the roof rack , RAI, etc told me that as they were an OEM accessory fitted by Landrover dealer they aren't a modification !
Post #489474 7th Jan 2016 6:57am
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