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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5108   
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Love them all especially the little Merle pups. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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7th Nov 2015 2:43pm |
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| gw8izr Member Since: 09 Jul 2015 Location: Island of Anglesey Posts: 24
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Always feed ours on CSJ, prob for last 20 years.
Met her dad a few times and had a pair of dogs from them. There are dog people and companies that sell dog products, CSJ are the former. |
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7th Nov 2015 2:44pm |
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| Daisy90 Member Since: 01 Feb 2015 Location: Hampshire Posts: 845  
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Some very good tips above,
PLEASE don't forget lungworm precautions !! It's rife round these parts at the moment Some very exciting times with a new pupster 
The training now will pay of for sure though 
 Click image to enlarge Here's ours just after we got her 
She is about 28 KG heavier now |
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8th Nov 2015 7:26am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5009
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Had an email from the breeder saying that they will be giving a dog earmarked for us to the stud dog owner. They are freinds and the stud dog owner was so impressed with the pups she asked if she could have one instead of the fee apparently!! Kids not too disappointed thankfully, so back on the hunt... Not easy this, some are on a waiting list for over a year. Helps if you have the contacts!!
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8th Nov 2015 11:59am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5034 
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Thats a shame - good luck with the hunt.
Whats always funny about all this, is the difference of opinion on all such matters - often polarised views...whether its food choice, vaccinations, wormer, flea collars training etc. My favourite collie and best friend, died at almost 16 this year, he always had premium food, but i really noticed a difference when i temporarily fed him Eukanuber (not spelt right), he really improved on it, joints wise - i was amazed. My new best friend, a working English SS will be vaccinated yearly and we have just moved her and the other collie to advocate, ignoring the fact both our vet practices recommend it, we felt it does cover a good range of stuff. Equally both dogs have pet passports - so are covered for rabies, which is another interesting one. Training wise, I (we) got consistently different advice on what level of training to do, so we tried to take it as easy as possible. All sorts of comments were made about stairs like dont let them too, its done our dogs no harm (incidentally both our dogs had to use the stairs)...I tried to limit exercise of the puppy, but she would just bolt round whatever was left, so it was about finding balance. Its a similar thing with her gun dog training - you can go to the extremes either way - so in my mind its all about balance...in the same way it was with our current collie when we went to collie school, there isnt a right answer nor one size fits all. Most importantly with collies - avoid the KC, if you want to get a registered one get a proper ISDS dog...just ask ISDS members what they think of KC dogs... Mike |
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8th Nov 2015 12:15pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888  
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Astra have three litters at the moment, they are working dogs though and a fair trek for you (bad enough for us and we're half way there!). Not sure how many of each litter are still available as they tend to go fast, we've put a deposit down on one of the Knox x Tess litter. You can't normally select a specific puppy but, initially, you select 3 from the litter in order of preference and she then juggles them around based on the suitability of the pup to you and other people's choices. I know she can sometimes arrange delivery, she delivers some the puppies to Heathrow for international exports so that might be an option for you. Janet (the breeder) is really passionate about the dogs and the support she's given us since getting our first puppy from her has been amazing. She does impose some conditions on ownership including that you notify her of any health issues and that you return the dog to her if, at any time, you feel you can't keep the dog. She does like regular updates so she can keep track of the progress of all "her" dogs. The Astra lineage boasts a LOT of champion dogs from trials, agility and obedience, they are all ISDS registered. ISDS registered dogs can be registered with the KC if you wish, the ISDS registration automatically allows you to register with KC. KC registered dogs cannot be registered with ISDS unless they have ISDS registered parents. Janet provides you with an ISDS lineage sheet which shows the lineage back about 6 generations, the ISDS registration certificate goes back 4 generations. As a bit of a purist when it comes to BCs I'd always consider ISDS registration to be more important than KC. http://www.bordercolliepuppies.co.uk The three litters currently available: http://www.bordercolliepuppies.co.uk/puppiesforsale.php This is our BC Astra Skye, taken in one of the fields above the Astra sheep dog centre earlier this year on a return visit. Click image to enlarge http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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8th Nov 2015 2:22pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5009
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Thanks for that Dave, interesting, will give them a call later. Distance is no problem for the right dog.
I also put my name down for a local litter last week but I am 6th on the list. The parents were mated yesterday! interesting about all this treat training, I had my dog pretty well trained, even herding and didn,t use treats, Didn,t need to but the last breeder was adamant you would need to use treats. All her dogs jumped up, that,s one of the first commands to stop them doing it!! |
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9th Nov 2015 7:34am |
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| Rickydodah Member Since: 14 Jul 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 1091 |
Treat training is quite a generic term, and the treat is not always food. Positive training (have a look at Victoria Stillwell's record) is a methodology where positive reinforcement is used to alter an existing behaviour or as an aid to learn new. Around 50 years ago because of my background I suppose, I used the police dog training methods which were effective because of their negative approach, it was very much a forceful approach with the dog being reprimanded quite severly on occasion with physical force. Then came along the intuitive trainers like Barbara Woodhouse with their exaggerated commands, also very effective because of a somewhat negative reinforcement approach. The likes of dog whisperer Cesar are also intuitive where the thinking of a pack hierarchy and dominance are used, supposedly effective particularly with red zone dogs. Dogs are more like humans than we appreciate, we are motivated in many ways but all of them bring about a benefit to us. If I'm paid, my motivation, to do a job I'll do it, I might not enjoy doing it or wish to repeat it unless I'm paid again, even if I enjoyed doing it I'd still be looking for something more interesting to come along. Dogs are similar in their outlook. People work together best in a collaborative environment, everyone has a job to do and everyone is equal. Put this into dog training, the handlers job is to decide what has to be done and how and the job of the dog is to carry out these instructions, I prefer the term instruction rather than command. Clicker training is another form of positive training when the desired behaviour is recognised, marked and rewarded, a method by which the American navy teach Dolphins incidentally. The reward can be food, praise or anything which the dog will recognise as pleasurable. I use praise, extra affection, food treats in a hierarchy of order with high value treats for when learning new behaviours or to reinforce.
I can totally understand your possible reluctance to use this method because you like myself never had any need for this type of training as previous methods I'd used had been effective, eventually. I just find this method far far quicker and less stressful and frustrating for me and the dogs. Teaching a dog to walk at heal with a cheese lure and reward can be accomplished in most cases in about half an hour and be reliable. So on with the hunt by the sounds of it. Is it definitely a Border you're looking for? I'll keep an eye out for any in the East of the county. I started with nothing and still have most of it left! |
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9th Nov 2015 8:45am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5009
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Thanks for that once again, I have been out of dog ownership for 20 years, it was about choccy drops in my day
 . Last time as a student I photocopied a sheep dog training guide from the library and used that. It must have been from the NFU or similar. Yes frustrating at times but we got there ok!
Yes a Border Collie is only what I am looking for, it,s level of intelligence will make up for my lack of it Thanks for looking... |
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9th Nov 2015 10:32am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073
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Good luck with the search to find your new best friend
I didn't want use treats for training my BC either but it soon became apparent that positive reinforcement training including the treats was the easiest and quickest way to get results. Look forward to some pics when you have secured your puppy. |
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9th Nov 2015 10:45am |
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| Rickydodah Member Since: 14 Jul 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 1091 |
You may find this site of interest.
http://www.epupz.co.uk/search/puppies_for_...=Search+++ I started with nothing and still have most of it left! |
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9th Nov 2015 4:42pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5009
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Thanks Ricky, will have a look...
I have reserved this one and will be looking at him Wednesday evening CUTE!!!
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9th Nov 2015 6:57pm |
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| GUM97 Member Since: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3555 
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My Collie has just turned 2! God where's the time gone!
 An engine to TDi for!
"Land Rover- Proudly turning drivers into mechanics since 1948" |
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9th Nov 2015 7:29pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5009
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The pups have blueish eyes, presume they will go brown as they get older, like there parents!? The breeder is saying they are black and white Tricolour but the coat is clearly dark brown!?
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10th Nov 2015 7:11am |
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