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| Thor Member Since: 17 Dec 2011 Location: Didcot Posts: 446   
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Very cute, have you come up with a name yet?
You say it's been a while....Patiants, common sense and consistency with training is all you need with dog training. 
Good luck  Strong people are harder to kill and generally more useful! |
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7th Nov 2015 8:45am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5009
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Going to call it Moss, after my last Collie. Yes the training will all come back to me... Kids and dogs are the same
What does everyone feed there dog on. The breeder feeds them on Royal something? Do you give your dog ongoing vaccinations? |
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7th Nov 2015 8:52am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073 
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you got to love a Border collie
This is Ralph when I went to see him with his parents.  Click image to enlarge |
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7th Nov 2015 8:53am |
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| grumpy old git Member Since: 16 Nov 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 153
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Great looking pup 👍 Our Spaniels (ESS & CS) had the full set of jabs as pups and for about three years, we don't see any benefit now they're older. As for feed they both had puppy food, I think it was a dry Spillers mix plus a bit of canned food up to about 6 - 8 months now they're on Dr John Titanium, 25% protein 15% fat with green lipped mussel extract to keep creaky joints at bay. £14.49 no VAT as it's working dog food for 15Kg from Mole Valley Farmers, suits them well.
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7th Nov 2015 9:29am |
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| Venomator Member Since: 25 Aug 2014 Location: Peterborough Posts: 2087
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Congratulations Chris, looks a beauty...
Now you'll really have your work & play time full to overflowing... 
And don't forget to keep that gate shut...  Rog...
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7th Nov 2015 9:30am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073
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Dog food is a very debatable subject with breeders at present with new studies showing most foods are sub standard and full of fillers instead of healthy meat and veg.
I feed my BC with Gentle dry food for all dogs which receives 4.8 out of 5 and Canagan tinned dog food which is the only tin to get 5 out of 5 Theres lots of dog food ratings on line and remember Vets etc are sponsored by brands to sell them. I just buy whats best for my dog and am not interested in price etc. Ralph at 18 months Click image to enlarge |
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7th Nov 2015 9:38am |
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| Rickydodah Member Since: 14 Jul 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 1091 |
Nice pup Mr Zagato. My views are, the dog should be fully vaccinated in its first year and from then on its likely not necessary. Some owners have their dogs tested every three years, a "Titer" test to check the level of antibodies and to see if any boosters are required. Personally I've never vaccinated routinely as modern thinking suggests that this will compromise the dog's immune system amongst other things. Feeding and nutrition is an argued point, broadly speaking a growing dog will require a food proportionally higher in protein than an adult dog, dogs don't metabolise food the way humans do and use nutritional components in different ways to ourselves so may appear illogical in a feeding regime to what we require nutritionally. Exercise, or the limit and type of exercise is important to the dog's long term health. Pups cartilage doesn't ossify into bone until quite late particularly in a larger breed like yours, therefore a minimum amount of strain upon joints is required, no jumping, no stairs and exercise limited to around five minutes twice a day rising accordingly as the dog grows. Ideally muscle mass needs to grow in proportion to bone density and growth, the dog doesn't want to be too heavy for it's skeletal structure. And now the most important component of the whole issue, socialisation and training. Both need to be maintained from birth. Hopefully the dog will arrive to you used to normal household activities and routines and well established socially with it's peers. I can't stress enough how important this socialisation is particularly with a breed like a Collie which is recognised as one of the most intelligent breeds. Dogs love routine and training and being kept amused otherwise all kinds of unwanted behaviours arise, Collies can be quite destructive when bored and can lead to some deep seated psychological problems, check out how many Collies there are in rescue because of the way they're raised. I do wish you well, shame about the Lab though. There will be as much opinion posted I'm sure particularly around feeding, there are some good comparison web sites regarding dog food. It sounds like the breeders feed Royal Canin which is good but not the best by a long way as there are far cheaper and better examples, consider working dog type food which is VAT exempt. Lastly find a good Vet, they can be a real partner to you and your pet.
I started with nothing and still have most of it left! |
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7th Nov 2015 10:14am |
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| RoddyK05 Member Since: 08 Apr 2015 Location: Inverclyde Posts: 633  
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Ours get James Wellbeloved. It works for them, there is cheaper available, but if you want to give yourself nightmares look into what the cheap brands put into their food. The term 'meat' can be used very loosely by some. As for jags, we used to keep up with the regular schedule as recommended by our vet, but we now get them titer tested first to see if the jags are necessary. The titer test measures the level of antibodies in their system, so the vet can tell if a booster is required or not - I see little reason to give my dogs a jag they don't need if their immune system is already 'up to the task'. Again, it can be more expensive, especially if the results say the booster IS necessary, then you are the price of the test AND the jag. In our case, one of our dogs suffers from canine cramping syndrome and one of the main triggers we have identified is the presence of external chemicals acting on him. This can vary from vets jags, flea treatments etc to the smell of a chemical lingering in the house. Two of his 'fits' were after a woodworm treatment in the cellar and another after a furniture repair guy had treated the top of a sideboard with something. Despite the place being well ventilated these still triggered him off. So, we are wary of introducing chemicals into his system if they are unnecessary.
Yours being a BC, stay well clear of 'Advocate' which is a flea, worm etc treatment. Studies have shown can it give BCs brain damage which can turn a placid dog into one that will need muzzled. ( incase anyone from Bayer is reading this - I'm only going on what Ive been told and please don't sue me  ). We used advocate for a while on our two, the wee lad would have one of his turns about a week later, and the bigger black lab would have patches on his back where it was stripping the pigment out of his fur! And certainly don't get it on your leather sofa, it strips the colour out of that too. Once we sussed out what was causing the wee one to 'fit' we stopped using it. Hope this help and doesn't give you sleepless nights thinking about the horrors associated with having a four legged friend in your life. Enjoy your pup, may he be healthy and wise. |
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7th Nov 2015 10:16am |
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| Rickydodah Member Since: 14 Jul 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 1091 |
That's interesting reading about Advocate Roddy and not the first comment similar to yours I've heard. I use and have done for over 40 years a wormer called Panacur and recently a flea and tick treatment called Flevox, which is similar to Frontline but half the price. Preferably like yourself I will only treat the dog with unnatural products such as pesticides and insecticides as this is what they are as infrequently as required. I'll ask around other trainers to see what their opinions of Advocate are.
 I started with nothing and still have most of it left! |
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7th Nov 2015 10:28am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073
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I've just been given Advocate for my BC.
Haven't used it yet and think i need more info first  |
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7th Nov 2015 10:35am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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Congrats on your new companion Zag. There is some excellent and helpful advice here [in the same helpful vein as that obtained when you were new to this site and thinking of getting a Defender ...and after you eventually got it how best to rust proof it].
I second the use of Panacur and share concerns surrounding some flea treatments BTW. Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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7th Nov 2015 10:41am |
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| RFT Member Since: 13 Nov 2010 Location: Cheshire Posts: 678 
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We used to feed our BC James Wellbeloved, but then it changed formulation and he did not like it (I guess they were taken over by a big group) we moved to Simpsons and he loves it.
http://www.simpsonspremium.com/adult-dog-food/adult-lamb-rice Watch the Tick treatments, there are some that are not good for BC's As for training, no matter how bad it gets, they suddenly grow up at 12months and behaviour suddenly improves. 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper |
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7th Nov 2015 10:44am |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888  
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We feed our BC on CSJ "Command Performance" and have done since she was a pup. You can choose the protein level suitable for your dog and it's age.
http://www.csjk9.com For tick and flea treatments it's always a good idea to ask your vet what they recommend as they tend to know what immune strains of each there are locally. As others I'd avoid advocate, we've also had issues with frontline causing skin irritation. In some areas of the country the older medications aren't proving as effective now, especially against fleas where they have built up a tolerance. On vaccinations we're, again, being guided by our vet and I think most of the best vets are using titer testing as a matter of course before vaccinations. Our vet, I think, is erring on the side of caution at the moment though as there have been recent outbreaks of parvovirus in the area. As with many areas of dog ownership, there are as many opinions as there are dog owners, you have to decide what your acceptable risk is in conjunction with your vet. The outbreaks of Parvovirus in this area have been attributed to people not vaccinating their dogs due to cost and/or scare stories. We put a deposit down on a second BC pup last week so will be going through it all again too ! From a working line/breeder in our case. If there's one thing we've learnt in our short time as dog owners, your dog, your rules. Every dog owner has their own experience and opinions on what's best for their dog and yours but at the end of the day you make the decision based on what you are comfortable with. It's just like owning a Land Rover in that respect ! http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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7th Nov 2015 11:19am |
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| SGH Member Since: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Hellingly-Sussex Posts: 1527
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We feed our two BC one four and one five year old Barking Heads dry food with some Natures Diet wet food and both on Advocate. 993 Varioram - Guards Red
Defender 2.5 300TDI 110 HCP - Keswick Green Defender 2.2 TDCI 130 HCP - Orkney Grey - GONE Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE LUX - Corris Grey/Black Pack - GONE Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE LUX - Montaciano Red/Black Pack - GONE Last edited by SGH on 7th Nov 2015 12:49pm. Edited 3 times in total |
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7th Nov 2015 12:27pm |
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