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| Nipalong Member Since: 08 Jul 2015 Location: Kent Posts: 29   
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I have sprayed my chassis with old engine old, if you look under rather, where there is an oil leak there is no rust. Cheap and easy,
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22nd Oct 2015 11:15am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17427  
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That was an old, and once very popular, treatment, but it has some significant disadvantages:
- It is filthy, and attracts dirt, dust, grit and grot like nothing else - It makes it hard to spot oil leaks - The oil gets into a lot of places it shouldn't including electrical connectors - It is likely to rot any rubber parts it comes into contact with - It is almost certainly illegal now on environmental grounds - Engine oil is harmful to health by contact and inhallation. There are many better products available now for the purpose. |
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22nd Oct 2015 11:31am |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295 
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-It is also dangerous for other road users particularly those on 2 wheels, rain soaked roads,
will progressively wash off the oil leaving an oily film on the road surface... -It is also highly flammable... SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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22nd Oct 2015 12:05pm |
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| Griff_L322 Member Since: 26 Mar 2015 Location: North Wales Posts: 89  
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this is unfortunately normal, this is why we underseal!
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22nd Oct 2015 12:33pm |
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| Jukathy Member Since: 25 Jan 2015 Location: Berlin Posts: 170 
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I'd bet almost anything that my good old 2CV came with slightly corrosive welds, too.
Anyhow, rust problems usually occur in humid corners not on flat steel plates that dry quickly. But, if you're going to get any relevant information - let me know, I'm interested. 
By the way: I'm also keen on surviving my dogs and men - living together - forever - with my good old 110 in perfect harmony  Last edited by Jukathy on 22nd Oct 2015 7:51pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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22nd Oct 2015 7:45pm |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3643 
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QUOTE "Mainly commenting on “whom I should bequeath mine too want too keep it until I die”. House too? Wife? I'm hoping to upgrade all three several times before I pop my clogs and if, when I die, there's anything left over in the bank I obviously haven't budgeted very well.
I did just ask my (third) wife and son what they'd do if they were bequeathed my Defender and Morgan: missus says she'd sell 'em both and buy a Porsche, son says he'd sell 'em both and buy a motorbike (he's got his own car). If I were to ask my daughters they'd probably say “sell 'em both and go on holiday”. Peter" LOL i am on my second wife and second defender happy with both and cant afford to upgrade either unless I have a lotto win DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS, I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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22nd Oct 2015 7:50pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
The chassis itself is fabricated from mild steel sections welded together and then given a fairly light black coating to offer a degree of protection. Land Rover have had many years to improve both the protective and cosmetic qualities of the finish but have chosen a more 'value-engineered' solution. They could have offered hot dipped zinc galvanised chassis as standard many years ago - but have chosen not to. Those with a background in engineering will know that welded joints are a weak point in terms of corrosion protection, even with thorough post-weld surface prepping. For those who study the rear cross-members of fairly new Defenders - corrosion and a poor cosmetic finish are not unknown. If you really want to see a quickly deteriorating chassis - check out a (dairy) farmer's Defender. At best all you can do is slow down the inevitable rust appearing - that is where a broad range of commercial 'products' comes into play. Each of these products has a following of disciples, many of whom believe that their chosen product is 'the only one'. On my last visit to Solihull I noted and commented that they were assembling new Defenders on chassis' that were faded almost grey (not fresh black) - obviously been exposed to the elements for a lengthy period prior to arriving at the assembly line. Our Land Rover man said the oxidised finish could easily be freshened up with a polish. The chassis manufacturer does not appear to wrap/protect the chassis for transportation (to save the planet and cut costs) and exposure to the elements seems inevitable - all before the vehicle is built. As for other parts on the underside rusting - bare metal (non-alloy) castings and threaded parts quickly rust. |
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22nd Oct 2015 10:23pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
Painting or spraying engine oil onto the underside of your Defender wouldn't get you a 'Save the Planet' award and is a rather out-dated approach. I'm not sure about it being "highly flammable" ... |
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22nd Oct 2015 10:29pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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 Shocking that some people still do that today. No less than criminal I'd say. If you would do that here, and go like that to the tech inspection, equivalent of your MOT, you would not even drive out from there anymore, your truck would be impounded on the spot, with all consequential costs for your account. Right approach too.
Maybe you also emptied the rest of your used motor oil recipient into the sewers? Cheap and easy too.  You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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23rd Oct 2015 5:34am |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3481  
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Most of my 110's have the 'auto oil' system fitted to the vehicle. It tends to spray the chassis with oil without request. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI 1995 90 300TDI |
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23rd Oct 2015 6:00am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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^^ Also interesting. And you pass your annual MOT like that?
Different countries, different ideas about environment clearly. Here, in order to present your car to the periodic tech inspection, both engine/engine compartment and entire chassis have to be spic and span shiny clean. So you would not even be able to hide an eventual small oil leak. And any small oil leak means a fail. If you do not correct this and have it reinspected within the time allowed, tech inspection will inform registration office, who will send you a letter to turn in your license plates.... Not too many dirty cars on the road here, except the French commuters.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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23rd Oct 2015 9:41am |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
/\/\/\ Sarcasm dude,he means the factory fitted oil leaks defenders come with,hahaha.
Imo,the best way to deal with the chassis is to paint it,with Rustoleum/POR,which is 50 times tougher than the landrovers afterthought and a complete and utter doddle on new chassis's,then a quick go over with Waxoil/Dinitrol/Bilt Hamber.Remember once its oiled you'll never be able to paint it again with serious work to remove the old waxoil. Certainly wouldn't be taking it back to a useless stealer to deal with. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5. |
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23rd Oct 2015 10:12am |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2655 
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If an oil leak was an MOT failure most British cars would be off the road! They're not known for their oil retention. Obviously some leaks that are safety issues such as those compromising brake systems or those so great in volume that they would present a hazard to other vehicles would be failed.
Environmental protection isn't as high up the agenda here as it is in Europe. Until scrap prices rose the standard method for disposing of old machinery for example was to either park them up and forget them or dig a big hole and bury them. A few years ago I spent a few weeks with a JCB digging a dozen or so vehicles out of one of these pits to scrap them. The water in the hole was very rainbow coloured to say the least with all the oil. |
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23rd Oct 2015 10:20pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
Retroanaconda's first sentence sums up the 'British' approach to the environment quite accurately.
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24th Oct 2015 4:34pm |
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