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Maybe that's when he lost the other boot ......or maybe the kat got it 
| AlanH Member Since: 15 Mar 2010 Location: WA Posts: 242  
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I sold my Td5 Defender after 4 years following a breakdown at Newman in the not too far north of WA (Australia) because of the lack of out of town dealers or just anybody who could assist. LRA were good about getting the vehicle (plus camper) back to Perth but it took nearly 3 weeks.
The fault turned out to be the throttle potentiometer but absolutely no one between Perth and Karratha could diagnose it. Now the dealer problem is even worse because LRA closed the country dealerships apart from 1 in the far South of WA, which isn't much good if you're 3000 kilometres away. I've had Toyota for over 2 years now and nothings gone wrong but of course I know it can, no vehicle is immune from breakdown, but at least they've got a vast network of dealers where hopefully something can be done to fix it. The Cook and I would love to get a Puma, but after reading so much doom and gloom and the shocking back-up available in Australia, we won't be getting what would be our 4th Land Rover. Alan. PS. I must add that the Td5 was a good vehicle and apart from the 1 problem was great, not fault free but never before let us down. But we both felt we couldn't trust it any longer  |
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25th Nov 2010 9:21am |
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| Vixen Member Since: 16 Mar 2010 Location: NSW, Orstraya Posts: 97
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We've had that problem with our hybrid....it's great fun to drive in peak hour traffic (when everyone wants to get home from work & doesn't want holdups) at max speed of 50kph, especially on the motorway Drove for 2 1/2hrs to get home like that once. No fun.......it was like being in limp mode!! |
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25th Nov 2010 9:41am |
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| AlanH Member Since: 15 Mar 2010 Location: WA Posts: 242
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Hi Vixen.
The Td5 would tick over all day, but when you wanted a bit of power would do a hiccup and the engine would cut out. Not much fun when you're towing a 1 ton camper and have around 1000kays to get home! LRA got the vehicle and camper back to Perth under their 1 year extended warranty but according to the latest on the AULRO forum thats no longer being offered on Defenders due to the huge amount of problems with them.
What a waste of a great vehicle, ruined by cost cutting and crap assembley from workers that couldn't give a stuff. 
Alan. PS. I'll have to tell the Cook to stop waving at Defenders as we're not getting one now. |
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26th Nov 2010 10:26am |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2412  
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I´ve a purring niose now in the engine and since there is no MIL on, the dealer is useless
We can´t get Land crusiers here. Cost the same as a G-wagen! Dodge Ram seem to be the way (a bit too big though). Loads of room for samples. Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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26th Nov 2010 10:55am |
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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2110 
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Sad really,
Really it is a pity that almost all of us are worry about the reliability of the Defender, the end of the guarantee period and the possible cost if something of bad quality or not correctly mounted will broken. As a lot of you said, main problem to use the vehicle in isolated places is the reliability and the lack of support, but in my own experience, the Defender is not so unreliable. My other new cars also let me in the route at least one time in the first 100.000 km. (maybe my Karma) But the thing that really annoying me is all this minor faults that dont leave me in the route but request the dealer's assistance in the medium term, like the door that not close, the switch that broken, the window that refuse to open or close, the nut that dissapear, the piece that leak oil or the strange noise in the motor. The list can continue almost forever. That really mine my patiente and some times I like to throw the car and burn it. But when I look again the things that I made with it and I cannot do with other car i feel some relief. Ok is a work vehicle, but this is not an excuse to make a mediocre car. Cheers Why Land Rover cant look in the Toyota production line the way to do it and improve thos niggles? Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"  Click image to enlarge |
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26th Nov 2010 12:04pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2412
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I guess technology and cost issues. Plus most Defenders are built after pub time. I´ve a picture in mind of those workers just throwing the bits into the line (at least looks like that for all sealing parts).
IMHO Ford is a POS brand + the fact our unique stealer is hopeless and FOS Anyway, Series and Defenders are a hell of a good concept. Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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26th Nov 2010 12:54pm |
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| o4dn Member Since: 08 Jan 2010 Location: South West Posts: 538  
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Humm, such harsh comments... Ford in Europe is actually quite good, I believe, very different from Ford in the USA.
Anyway, I think most of the problems with the Puma Defender have been ironed out nowadays, and I am very pleased with mine. |
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26th Nov 2010 1:29pm |
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| 4wheeler Member Since: 13 Apr 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 87
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My 10/07 Defender has given me very few problems. I have had the clutch replaced at 20,000Km and transfer case output seal replaced at the same time due to leakage. Both are known problems for the early 07 models. That's the only issues I have had. It is great fun to fiddle with and has real character.
It now has 32,000Km on it. I have knocked over some long Km drives and use this vehicle for 4 X 4 driving. The more I drive it the more confident I am becoming in it given the negative comments on many forums. I have had Isuzu, Ford, and Toyota 4X4's. The Defender is absolutely the best vehicle I have driven off road. Mine has standard tyres and suspension. I took a club trip to the Victorian high country last weekend which had Toyotas and Patrols. I could not believe how easily the Defender drove the tracks. The Hilux that I owned before the Defender would have struggled on the tracks we drove even with its 2 inch lift and mud tyres. My local dealer is fantastic and at this stage there is no reason that I would not consider purchasing another Land Rover in the future. It would have to be a proper one though - Defenders rule! 
A Defender is what it is. You must make a decision as to whether you are prepared to accept what comes with that. It is hand built form parts with big tollerances. No two are the same. You might get a good one or one which possibly could be problematic. If those looking at purchasing a Defender can't live with that - get a relaible but boring Toyota. Oh! my first Hilux blew a starter at 20.000km and other small problems. My Isuzu Trooper (Holden Jackroo in Australia) had a worn clutch at 30,000km, cracked exhaust manifold at 60,000Km and cracked head at 80,000Km and no spare parts availability after 4 years ownership. What was that about Land Rover reliability? |
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27th Nov 2010 11:54am |
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| Fox Member Since: 26 Aug 2010 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 72 
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I had a new 2005 TD5. Other than a seal on the clutch cylinder going after 400 miles it then went on to do 57,000 miles with no problems at all. This included quite a lot of heavy towing.
I put the seal down to a manufacturing defect on a new part. So many things to go wrong on a new car that a hiccup like that early on does not surprise me at all with potentially 1000s of new parts bolted together. In all the only thing I had to replace after the 400 mile failure other than regular servicing was a set of rear brake pads at 52k miles. Can't complain about that.
Then had a new Puma in 2007. Did 22,000 miles in that and it was 100% reliable. If there was more space for your shoulder and the clutch was lighter I'd still only consider a Defender. 
But shoulder and knee pain when driving in traffic regularly day in day out forced me to buy something more comfortable. |
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28th Nov 2010 5:37pm |
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| ralton Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Durban Posts: 153  
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I've done close to 100 000km now and haven't broken down. Yes, a few problems along the way, mostly known problems like the clutch, but now everything seems fine. (of course there are still the leaks into the cabin, noises, rattles, etc, but i don't mind all of those standard items...) www.ralton.co.za
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29th Nov 2010 8:33am |
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| pannawonica Member Since: 21 Nov 2010 Location: Clackline Western Australia Posts: 568
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Well said 4wheeler.I had a TD5 100000k in two years . Only problem was a collapsed turbo hose.
I drive Toyotas Rolux at work, however I have ordered 2011 Puma not withstanding the lack of dealer support in the remote Pilbara. |
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29th Nov 2010 2:59pm |
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