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| airpusher Member Since: 04 Sep 2011 Location: South Wales Posts: 372   
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Mines not got ABS & has anti stall.
Mind I still stall it!!! lol HTH 2006 Defender Double Cab- Zambezi Silver |
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6th Sep 2015 6:05pm |
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| excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5937  
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How do you know the Anti Stall is working or maybe not working?
I can still stall it as well. Mainly from bringing up the clutch, 1st gear and not having enough revs (even with foot flat to the floor its slow to respond) 1999 Defender TD5 110 Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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6th Sep 2015 6:07pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888  
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They all have it as far as I know, it doesn't operate when the clutch is in use though. One trick that we use in trials is to disconnect the clutch switch to prevent the anti-stall switching off when you cover the clutch. It can be quite frustrating otherwise as on steep slow ascents you cover the clutch as you crest the top and the anti-stall drops out and the engine stalls. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
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6th Sep 2015 6:24pm |
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| airpusher Member Since: 04 Sep 2011 Location: South Wales Posts: 372
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It's nowhere near as modern as the puma ones.
If you touch the accelerator when it's on the tipping point it'll stall. You just have to slowly let the clutch up and it I'll start to crawl. I'm sure somebody with far more technical knowledge will give more info. 2006 Defender Double Cab- Zambezi Silver |
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6th Sep 2015 6:26pm |
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| CDN38 Member Since: 14 Nov 2014 Location: Courtenay, BC Posts: 729  
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Find a step hill, stop at the bottom, select 4WD low range, select 1st gear (all with clutch in) Turn off your ignition, wait for a few seconds, release the clutch pedal, then turn the ignition on (without the clutch in, and don't touch the accelerator or brakes) your truck should climb the steep hill, even lose terrain/hill without any driver input other than steering.
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6th Sep 2015 6:29pm |
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| airpusher Member Since: 04 Sep 2011 Location: South Wales Posts: 372
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That's interesting. I think that happens to me recently. Then I struggled to use the anti stall to start on the hill so I just floored it. 2006 Defender Double Cab- Zambezi Silver |
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6th Sep 2015 6:31pm |
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| excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5937
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I have unplugged the clutch switch and now the gear changes are much smoother with less clunking in the drive line. 1999 Defender TD5 110
Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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6th Sep 2015 7:09pm |
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| roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039  
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Anti stall on a td5 works without increasing the rpm like the Puma does. But as soon as you touch any pedal the ECU expect you to take controll so anti-stall won't be working then.
Just drive in first low and it will work as long as there are not to sudden changes. Here I am showing/testing the anti stall on my 90. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQrDcALvG0Q Roel 1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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6th Sep 2015 7:51pm |
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| srod Member Since: 20 Mar 2015 Location: Argyll Posts: 190 |
In my '03 td5 defender - towing 1.5 ton boat up a steep slip, high-range, slowly raise the clutch, no throttle, off we go with no sign of stalling. Also works in any hill start situation.
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6th Sep 2015 8:17pm |
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| Tommo Member Since: 19 Dec 2013 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 830 
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I've used this technique on icy roads..works a treat.
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7th Sep 2015 8:30am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17717 
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Puma anti-stall doesn't increase the engine revs, it fuels the engine (rather like a governor would) to hold the revs steady. The Puma anti-stall is significantly more highly developed than the TD5s and works very well, though it is worth remembering that the moment the ECU detects a throttle pedal input the anti-stall feature is over-ridden and pedal control takes over. Consequently if you are just touching the throttle pedal you can stall it quite easily. |
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7th Sep 2015 9:26am |
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| roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039
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The Puma will increase the rpm to about 1000 rpm and keeps them there. The td5 tries to do the same only at the standard stationair rpm about 800 rpm. That 200 rpm make a lot off difference in capabilities.
And yes the Puma anti stall works better. Roel 1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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7th Sep 2015 10:25pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17717
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Puma idle jack does that (increases engine speed), but it's a completely separate system to anti-stall and present for a different purpose.
If you are in low box and pull away without touching the throttle, then both AS and IJ will be active giving the impression that the AS has increased the engine speed, however if you do the same when not in low box then you won't get the IJ and the revs don't increase. |
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7th Sep 2015 11:31pm |
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| roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039
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You call it 2 separate systems, Land Rover gives it 2 names, but it comes all from the software in the ECU.
Here they work together and work goed, better as with the td5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jhuKLrjJLg&feature=related Ok IJ works only in low 1 and low reverse, AS should work in all gears. Did you notice that LR used a LHD 90 for this show. Is that because a RHD can not do this? Or is the ignition key better positioned for this test.  Roel
1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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8th Sep 2015 8:14am |
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