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| Wangers Member Since: 19 Jan 2013 Location: West London Posts: 265   
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/land-rover-trail...1731225323
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Landrover-Sankey...2050673180 So, seen these two - any advice on either what to look for good and or bad, and any idea on unlaiden weights? Needing something for a decent trailer for bikes / tools / mechanics set and carrying parts etc for business (mobile bike mechanic). Or any other idea's? To tow behind a 110. |
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9th Aug 2015 7:38pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20749
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Ifor Williams P6 - P7 - P8.
Unless you have your heart set on a Sankey.  |
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9th Aug 2015 8:46pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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A far as I am aware all trailers rated at 750 kg or above has to be braked. Only trailers rated at less then 750 can be unbraked.
From your first ebay listing
Last bit I have made bold worries me a bit Do you want to tow an unbraked trailer carrying 3 tons? I personally would not! There are various other requirements
From here Now you can take the attitude that you are not 'bothered' about legal requirements. I would suggest you proceed with caution. Brendan |
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9th Aug 2015 8:47pm |
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| dozerman Member Since: 09 Nov 2014 Location: Cheshire Posts: 101 
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If you are contemplating that £1600 trailer then budget isn't your biggest issue I'm guessing. I'd personally not bother with either of those and get a new Ifor Williams/Brian James/Brenderup to suit your personal needs/use.
You can quickly throw a few hundred quid at a second hand trailer if the brakes/bearings need sorting. Those two might not be too bad behind a Landy off road, but any trailer will seriously affect where yo can get to when you get off the tarmac. If you are realistic do you actually need the off road capability? That is the only thing possibly going for the two that you have highlighted - you may well be better looking for something with a lower loading height and larger load area running on road tyres/axles. FWIW I run quite a few different trailers, and the most useful for personal/weekend bits and bobs are an Ifor Williams tipper with cage sides (can carry a 110 if the sides and headboard are removed) or a big Brenderup box trailer. My Sankey never ever gets used... |
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9th Aug 2015 8:48pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20749
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Brendan - Yes, you are correct.
I have a P8 with mesh sides it's approx 232kg unladen and plated for unladen weight and max load. Can safely tow up to 500kg (750kg inc trailer) and that keeps me in line with the law on a post 1997 licence without B+E entitlement. I've towed about 300kg in it max in goods and you would not want to tow more as you say un-braked. *Edit* Here's mine all be it in the dark.  Click image to enlarge |
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9th Aug 2015 8:52pm |
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| fathaggis Member Since: 31 May 2015 Location: taynuilt Posts: 385 
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the one at £850 is not as sankey based one its a home made job
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10th Aug 2015 1:56am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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personally I would be looking at ifor box trailers , something you can stand up in as a mobile workshop
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10th Aug 2015 7:35am |
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| Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6678
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It's worth reading up on the law regarding tachos to if you are using for business use.
I believe it's fine if you are transporting the tools of your trade but if you have a customers bike on board or parts for sale then you may fall foul We made this mistake and bought a large box trailer for the LR shows only to discover we would need a tacho. Brendan's the chap to ask, he runs several large trailers commercially and will know all about these laws |
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10th Aug 2015 7:58am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17718 
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Personally I wouldn't touch either of the two in the first post with a bargepole. Both look very scrappy and homebuilt to me, and there will be several problems. It is probably illegal even to sell the hi-cap one (except as scrap) since there is no clue of the design gross weight, and it has no brakes. The second one doesn't look much better. It would certainly be illegal to tow the first one on the road as it is, since apart from the lack of brakes the lack of reflectors makes it illegal.
Leaving licencing aside, as a general rule any trailer with a gross laden weight of 750kg or more (up to a max of 3500kg) must have overrun brakes. Unless the trailer is antique, they must be hydraulically damped, autoreverse, and operate on all wheels. There are some fairly obscure cases in which you can marginally exceed 750kg with an unbraked trailer, but there are not really relevant. (Above 3500kg the brakes must be "coupled", ie work off the towing vehicle's pedal, which generally means air brakes, but this is not relevant for standard modern Landrovers which are limited to 3500kg gross trailed weight. A trailer which exceeds 3500kg also cannot be towed on a ball and socket coupling, it must be either ring and pin or pintle and lunette). If the gross combination weight of the towing vehicle and trailer (i.e., the sum of the gross laden weights) exceeds 3500kg then you will require a tacho to be fitted. Again there are some exceptions to this - the tacho rules are stunning complicated - but certainly if you are carrying anything in the trailer which is to be sold in the course of your or anyone else's business, even if you are not towing it for profit or reward, you need a tacho. So if you have a spare part for a bike, or a can of oil for an oil change on a customer bike, you need a tacho. A tacho is likely to add a cost in the region of £2k to your initial bill, and there are further requirements on data upload and maintainability, etc. A last point, if you are running this is as a business, what impression will it give if you roll up with a trailer that looks as though Worzell Gummage threw it together with an arc welder? Surely first impressions are importance, and a nice clean modren box trailer - available for a price similar to those in the first post - will give a much better impression in normal markets? it will also tow better, be easier to maintain, and can easily be signwritten. |
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10th Aug 2015 8:35am |
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| Swac3 Member Since: 21 Feb 2015 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 363 |
It does seem like your use would make a Box trailer almost a no brainer, load capacity and dimensions depending on just how much you're actually going to want, Do you want to able to carry a couple of bikes plus tools, or the ability to get just one inside so you have a nice workspace.
I got the Ifor P7e, bought pre landrover ownership so was fine for the car but now looking for a beefier one for lugging soil and Gravel. If you're not licence limited i'd personally go up a range from the base lower weight ones. Like others said, Box Van would seem perfect, or have you looked at a Horse Box ? usually decent weight capacity and will give you a ramp and a nice warm space to work in, plenty on the 2nd hand market too. Gary 3 Landrovers |
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10th Aug 2015 10:31am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Ifor Williams are now doing a Business in a box trailer here
Now who would you prefer to do business with? Someone who turns up in a scrap trailer or someone with a professional looking trailer? Image does count. Some of the legal nicities of tachos has been explained. Best better is to talk to your local approved fitting centre and make sure they have fitted them to Defenders before. Have a good long chat. Cost of our next digi one fitted is about £1,000 + VAT, then you need cards at about £35 each then you need a card reader anywhere from £50-£200 then you need it calibrating every 2 years. With a Defender you will need a geo logger on your windscreen. A secure place to install it. (Apparently the digi heads are nicked as they are £500 a pop) A big hole is cut in transmission tunnel so that will have have effect on your wading depth. Next there is 'living' with it. Downloading the information every 8 weeks or so. Putting tacho out of scope. Digi tachos in Defenders do not like long tunnels as it loses geo signal and system thinks you are trying to pull a fast one. So you have to then 'please' the tacho that you are not being a naughty boy! Gratefully 4x4 are dual purpose vehicles so escape the operators minefield. Brendan |
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10th Aug 2015 7:46pm |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006 
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The best advice I can give you is to be sensible and buy a proper works van. way more professional looking and a lot less aggravation than a trailer for business use. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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11th Aug 2015 5:45am |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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Are you sure? My 2011's manual makes reference to coupled brakes and a 4000kg trailer. |
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12th Aug 2015 1:17pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17718
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That's good news, I don't remember seeing mention of it since the move to coil springs, but I am happy to be corrected.
So, provided that you have the Defender fitted with equipment to operate coupled brakes, and use a pintle and lunette or ring and pin coupling, you can still tow 4 tonnes GTW with a Defender. |
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12th Aug 2015 1:44pm |
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