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Martin M



Member Since: 28 Jul 2015
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey
tdci gear change issue
Hi everybody I'm a new defender owner purchased a new 110 xs utility on Saturday with 4000 miles on the clock it's a 2015 model but am having gear change issues seems very jerky on gear change is this normal or a problem with the gearbox. Don't want to go back to dealers if this is normal or I'm too gentle with the revs. Any advice would be most appreciated

Thanks
Post #440987 28th Jul 2015 11:36am
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pumaxs



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver
Hi Martin,
I have a 2.4tdci, so can't really help you.
However, try typing "2.2 Rev Hang" into the search box (it will throw up quite a few threads) & see if any describe the problem that you're experiencing.
If not, then I'm sure it won't be too long before one of the more knowledgeable members makes an appearance.
All the best,
Andy '57 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon 2.4tdci
Post #441015 28th Jul 2015 12:15pm
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Caterham



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not sure if you do this or not but try keeping your foot on the revs when depressing the clutch, might help keep the revs up while changing gear.
Post #441016 28th Jul 2015 12:18pm
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Martin M



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Thanks everyone for the quick response will try the Rev hang thread to so if this is same problem
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jst



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Caterham wrote:
not sure if you do this or not but try keeping your foot on the revs when depressing the clutch, might help keep the revs up while changing gear.


You are joking I take it Cheers

James
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Post #441024 28th Jul 2015 12:40pm
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jst



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How does it compared to the other defenders you test drove? Cheers

James
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Post #441025 28th Jul 2015 12:41pm
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TDCi Guy



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Hi Martin, the gear change takes some getting used to if you aren't used to driving one. I was the same when I first got mine, now (the majority!) of my gear changes are silky smooth.

On a different note, are you from Leigh Lancs? If so I'll keep an eye out for you, it's not a big place. Thumbs Up Tom
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Caterham



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jst wrote:
Caterham wrote:
not sure if you do this or not but try keeping your foot on the revs when depressing the clutch, might help keep the revs up while changing gear.


You are joking I take it


Embarassed

not exactly.....I've not driven the 2.2 but does the rev hang work if you take your foot off the throttle and then operate the clutch?
if not that's because I was lead to believe the gear harmonisation should see some throttle for it to operate. My understanding is there to help get a smooth gear change ie its better to change gear onto a reving engine and not one that's ticking over (does that make sense?).
Post #441027 28th Jul 2015 12:49pm
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Martin M



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Thanks James was joking no previous experience of driving the 2.2 I test drove a 2.4 that belongs to my friend
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Martin M



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Also think that maybe driving it too gently as I am short shifting at just under 2000 rpm think it needs a bit more pedal going to try tonight but it feels like slack in the gear train so when I change up the van feels like it bouncing forward and backwards
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Martin M



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey
TDCi Guy wrote:
Hi Martin, the gear change takes some getting used to if you aren't used to driving one. I was the same when I first got mine, now (the majority!) of my gear changes are silky smooth.

On a different note, are you from Leigh Lancs? If so I'll keep an eye out for you, it's not a big place. Thumbs Up



Yes tom am from leigh promised myself a landy for a coupleading of years now but as they are being discontinued thought its now or never love the van only arrived on Saturday and been at work so no real chance to drive it yet
Post #441036 28th Jul 2015 1:17pm
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Martin M



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Caterham wrote:
jst wrote:
Caterham wrote:
not sure if you do this or not but try keeping your foot on the revs when depressing the clutch, might help keep the revs up while changing gear.


You are joking I take it


Embarassed

not exactly.....I've not driven the 2.2 but does the rev hang work if you take your foot off the throttle and then operate the clutch?
if not that's because I was lead to believe the gear harmonisation should see some throttle for it to operate. My understanding is there to help get a smooth gear change ie its better to change gear onto a reving engine and not one that's ticking over (does that make sense?).


Think am being too gentle with it and not review it enough been short shifting as the gearing seems so low never had a land rover before live it though just need some advice as to if mines faulty or I am not driving it correctly
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Martin M wrote:
Also think that maybe driving it too gently as I am short shifting at just under 2000 rpm think it needs a bit more pedal going to try tonight but it feels like slack in the gear train so when I change up the van feels like it bouncing forward and backwards


Excessive slop and backlash in the driveline is another well-known Puma problem. There are many places in the driveline where slop can develop, but the halfshafts and drive flanges are notorious. If you park on a level hard surface and apply the handbrake, see how far you can push the vehicle back and forth, and listen for clunks and noises from the hubs and axles. The transfer box, the clutch, and to an extent the infamous output adaptor shaft can all also contribute to this, so after the first test, put the car in gear (with the engine stopped), release the handbrake, and then see how far you can pucj it back and forth.

Some movement is to be expected, but it shouldn't be much. A vehicle as new as yours should be fine, but there have been some which are not well assembled, and there have been case of accelerated wear, so it is worth a check.

You can be gentle with a Defender too - you don't have to drive it as though you're wearing wellies!
Post #441047 28th Jul 2015 1:49pm
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Martin M



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey
Thanks blackwolf will try later but I think it maybe my driving as never owned a defender before and have only driven about 10 miles in mine as it was delivered from dealer in Suffolk
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bob neville



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Hi Martin

The 2.4 and 2.2's are different in the gear changing area due to the rev hold on the 2.2 to harmonise the change.

First thing, when changing gear do the normal thing of foot off the accelerator and depress the clutch, don't hold the throttle down !

Secondly try going to higher revs in each gear, 2500 is a good place to start. When you press the clutch down you will notice the revs hang despite removing your foot from the throttle. After a few seconds you will see them start to drop. On my vehicle I tend to push 2800 revs drop the clutch, put into the next gear and wait for the revs to reach about 2000 and then release the clutch.

As all the vehicles are different you will have to try to find the correct revs with a bit of trial and error.

It sounds complicated but once you have mastered the technique the changes become very smooth.

After 40 years of driving manual vehicles it took me a few weeks to master the 2.2 gear change but well worth it in the end Thumbs Up

I should add that once you are confident with the rev hang you can actually change up through the gears without applying throttle when releasing the clutch and there is not jerkiness or kangarooing - well you can in mine !

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