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CapeLandy

Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 558

6th gear rattle

Hi Chaps

Driving with a fully loaded 110 at 100+ km/h up any incline where you add any power to maintain speed I get a rattle sound from directly below the gear shift.
Placing a hand on the gearstick and moving it in any direction makes no difference. Seems from that it may be poorly meshing gears or something loose in the box. Happened same time last year on Botswana trip when vehicle was loaded. Sound is exactly the same but has not worsened. Do I just leave it incase they change the box and I get a worse one?
Any opinions - video of sound below (3,9MB)

14th Jul 2010 10:23pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Hi Cape!

Believe Fekete had a similar/same problem some time ago! Drop him a 'pm' as a prompt and I'm sure he'll get back. Like you his vehicle is often either loaded or towing a heavy trailer. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

14th Jul 2010 10:47pm

ralton

Member Since: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Durban
Posts: 153

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Zermatt Silver

ja mine does the same, doesn't have to be fully loaded just needs a bit of labour (6th gear up hills just below the power band). it's done it for more than 2 years. there was some improvement when the gear selector plate got replaced, but it's back now. i'm just leaving mine - besides that noise my truck is going well without any complaints ("touch wood"). www.ralton.co.za

15th Jul 2010 6:18am

jav-uk

Member Since: 29 Mar 2010
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 112

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Alpine White

My 07 110 did the same. Drop into 5th and it was fine. I concluded it was the TDCI lump struggling to cope with the load and the overdrive design of 6th gear.
Intrestingly, since I changed from an 07my to 10my 110 I have not seen the issue. The engine feels a different beast in the new 110, more torque, less of a flat spot at 2100 rpm and revs so much smoother than the old one. Paul

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15th Jul 2010 7:51am

Higgers

Member Since: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 668

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

Its lack of lubrication in the gearstick assembly.

Mine was the same, but fine now. Can pull in 6th from 50mph now with no noise

15th Jul 2010 8:23am

ralton

Member Since: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Durban
Posts: 153

jav-uk wrote:
since I changed from an 07my to 10my 110 I have not seen the issue. The engine feels a different beast in the new 110, more torque, less of a flat spot at 2100 rpm and revs so much smoother than the old one.

Surely these are the same motors? - isn't it maybe just the software and how it manages the fuel, etc? (i hope you don't get "my" software version when you next go for a service, but rather that i get updated with your version).
Any thoughts on this theory? www.ralton.co.za

15th Jul 2010 8:27am

ralton

Member Since: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Durban
Posts: 153

Higgers wrote:
Its lack of lubrication in the gearstick assembly.

Mine was the same, but fine now. Can pull in 6th from 50mph now with no noise

Is it easy to lubricate the gearstick assembly? www.ralton.co.za

15th Jul 2010 8:28am

Higgers

Member Since: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 668

Had mine done under warrenty, pretty common I think. The technician siad it was the 4th on he'd done that week.

Sorry, to answer your queston...no idea.

15th Jul 2010 8:30am

CapeLandy

Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 558

Thanks guys - have e-mailed dealer with the greasing sugestion - see what he says.

15th Jul 2010 8:50am

jav-uk

Member Since: 29 Mar 2010
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 112

ralton wrote:
jav-uk wrote:
since I changed from an 07my to 10my 110 I have not seen the issue. The engine feels a different beast in the new 110, more torque, less of a flat spot at 2100 rpm and revs so much smoother than the old one.

Surely these are the same motors? - isn't it maybe just the software and how it manages the fuel, etc? (i hope you don't get "my" software version when you next go for a service, but rather that i get updated with your version).
Any thoughts on this theory?

Yes they are same. I may be imagining this next bit, but I think the gearstick is slightly shorter on the new 110.
Maybe they have tweaked or improved the gear stick to resolve this fault.
I have noticed many subtle tweaks on the new 110 but by far the biggest difference is the power and smoothness of the TDCi engine. The balance at high revs is vastly superior to my old 110 and there is so much torque i could race an AudiTT.

PS may be going off thread on this one, I might start a new one about the differences between an my07 and my10.

15th Jul 2010 4:40pm

CapeLandy

Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 558

Update

Dealer said he stripped the gear shift assebly and re-lubricated.
They also found some or other retaining screw missing and fitted a new one.
Also had a new difflock switch fitted in the T-Case
All sorted now.

Driving behind my wife however on the way home - I noticed a lot of diesel smoke and that was not even under much acceleration

Not sure if they did any updates while she was in the dealers but she was'nt smoking before

20th Jul 2010 5:28am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2649

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

Re: Update

CapeLandy wrote:
Dealer said he stripped the gear shift assebly and re-lubricated. They also found some or other retaining screw missing and fitted a new one.

Weird, when I took mine in to N1 City and told them that the 1-2 change was sticky, they said it's a one-piece unit and cannot be lubricated!?

29th Sep 2010 7:33am

CapeLandy

Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 558

Mine is 2007 build so may be different. Mine was also not a selection issue, only a rattle

29th Sep 2010 8:04am

Malcolm

Member Since: 17 Sep 2008
Location: Durban
Posts: 10

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 CSW Fuji White

My MY07 makes the same droning noise in 6th going up steep hills. Just had my 60,000km service and asked them again to check it out but they found / did nothing.

Interesting I have change my commute and now do two hills on the N2 and N3 to work and the noise / vibration seems to have reduced (but is still there) now that I'm doing the hills daily. Very strange...

I have a new clutch on order which will hopefully solve the "pulsating" / rattle when in low range. Ex 2008 Puma 90
2012 Puma 110

3rd Oct 2010 3:08pm

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