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| Wheel Member Since: 28 May 2014 Location: Essex Posts: 233  
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Hi All
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum and if not, mods please feel free to move the post. Anyway, i'm currently clearing my Mums house following her passing away in Sept last yr (Dad passed away 4.5yrs ago) and came across this amongst the lots and lots of stuff they'd accumulated over the yrs. Dad was a welder boilermaker who for his last few yrs worked on maint/install of heating/pipework at schools etc so i'm assuming its related to this but it could be from something completely different as he did have a habit of "collecting" lots of stuff. For info they're cast and the flutes/tangs are 4 way (X) with a large hex in the centre. I was thinking along the lines of an expander, a male socket/key, deburrer ?? But i've really no idea and wondered as theres such a diverse following on these forums if anyone has any ideas ?? Thanks Mark  Click image to enlarge |
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11th Apr 2015 10:30am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 
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Wheel,
I am unsure but I work in the marine industry which involves plantwork with many valves. They do not look dissimilar to manual valve driveshafts most of which are cast and look very very similar, quite often they are manually driven through a mechanical gearbox which makes it easier for the manual operation hence the different size ends. On either end are there any threaded holes perhaps? It is unclear but the stamps are they 'C' and 'O' if so that would reinforce the theory as manual indicators of valve status? As you I suspect they are your late father's specific trade related items. This is just a guess and I may be way out. I am sorry for your loss please accept my sincerest condolences. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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11th Apr 2015 10:55am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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guessing inside pipe deburrer for the old style steel pipes after they have been cut and threaded ?
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11th Apr 2015 11:16am |
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| Wheel Member Since: 28 May 2014 Location: Essex Posts: 233
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Thanks K9F,
For your reply and your commiserations, its a bit daunting sometimes going through all their stuff. I must say i now know where i get my addiction for hanging onto bits from !!!! I thought maybe a key as you say and it could be for pumps as he worked for Crane for a while. They are solid with no holes at the ends Mark |
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11th Apr 2015 11:24am |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347 
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Looks a bit like the centre of a small non return or clack valve they use on bigger boilers.
The hex would be used for "lapping in" the valve to make sure it sealed had a good seal when shut but I can't seem to see a sealing face in this view on your pictures but that would be my guess. Not very useful I'm afraid but as has been said above, could look quite nice polished up and used as a desk weight or something  Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
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11th Apr 2015 12:53pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5648 
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Are they pipe stretchers, used to enlarge/stretch pipe end to make a female socket to then join copper pipes for soldering?
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12th Apr 2015 3:55am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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guessing there not a tool for turning anything , like undoing valve or plug etc as the plug would have to be deep if you wanted to use the bigger size
^^^^expanders for end of pipe , possible the flute look like they got a sharper edge on one side , maybe deburrers |
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12th Apr 2015 7:08am |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295 
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Hello Wheel
Sorry to hear the circumstances that led to your 'puzzel', but in some way it's a nice thing to have, even if you don't find an answer. (One of the most sentimental things I own, is my late fathers set of Carpentry Workshop Manuals) ... you have yourself a small mystery...  , we need the moden day equivalent of Jack Hargreaes who use to identify tools of the past (he actually just knew what they where) in the excellent program Out of Town, he would just sit in his shed and ramble through a past era showing what folks used to do the jobs they did...fantastic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Hargreaves As as design engineer, I would say (which is some what obvious) that what you have there is some kind of multi-Tool (imperial measurements) which can work with 4 sized versions of the same type of 'fitting', may be a valve as has been speculated. The hexagonal nuts allow purchase although it's not clear, if so far all this is correct, why there are two sizes on offer, you would could get away with one. But that said the larger one is 'sided' with the larger fluted keys and vice versa smaller Hex with the smaller 'keys' (if they are indeed 'keys'), so probably designed as to not send too much force through the respective 'keys' What is interesting, to a point, is that each key has a raduised top element to it where the 'Tool' steps up to the next size 'key'...this initially looks like it could be a shoulder to cut with, the fluted section holding the Tool parallel within a pipe and the radius deburing / cutting the inner edge of the pipe... but I'm sure that this is not the case. There are other simpler Tools to do this. Also this Tool has been cast (probably) with its generally rounded edges and looks to not have been subsequently machined to give a cutting edge anywhere. The C and O identification marks also look moulded in not stamped, but this too could be wrong. The Tool looks to be painted, this is strange, as it would affect the correct fitting with the Key theory, you would normally expect a device like this to be oil blackened at most. So no answer but I'd go for a 'Multi Key', but to use on what... SKIP
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12th Apr 2015 8:22am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610
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Sorry for the slight
X4SKP, Blimey you must be as old as me! 
Jack Hargreaves that's a blast from the past with his 'Out of Town Show' and the catchy theme song that started with 'Say what you will, the countryside be still'.........and his pipe. (Why do you see no pipesmokers any more?) There used to be a local angler here in Bournemouth called Dave Swallow and he had a local angling supply shop in Moordown. The pair of them were firm friends and could often be seen in the programme either sitting in a boat or on a riverbank after elusive fish. Used to run into them on the river Stour or Avon in my fishing days. Thanks for the memory jolt.  If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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12th Apr 2015 8:42am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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my dad and his mate were in one of the jack Hargreaves 'out of town ' programs !!
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12th Apr 2015 8:54am |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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Your welcome K9F... don't feel old, but there you go...
Out of Town... now that's the kind of reality TV i'd watch...
None of this let's reduced every show to a competition... nonsense... 
should I make my first post on the grumpy old mans thread...
But then again what do I know about what Joe public wants... when more people in the UK watched the final of the great british bake off than the world cup final... 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandra...final.html SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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12th Apr 2015 9:06am |
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| RFT Member Since: 13 Nov 2010 Location: Cheshire Posts: 678 
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I think it is a tool for screwing the valve inlet fitting into a cast iron radiator, the cast fittings that screwed into the cast iron radiator had splines in the bore, they come in a variety of sizes depending upon the piping size etc.
Modern valves have either spanner flats on them or hexagonal bores (use an oversize allen key to fit them). I agree a quick blast and paint and keep them as a reminder. I've still not sorted my Dad's workshop out yet. Richard 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper |
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12th Apr 2015 2:41pm |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195
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Neither have I, sticking my head up my arse and trying to ignore that job, no doubt I will have to put my best foot forward as and when anything happens to mum.
I know for a fact there are series 1 diffs under the bench and series 1 big end shells and cam shaft shells ect ect ect in the drawers out there. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough. Every Day 16 MY Discovery 4 Commercial Workshop and Escort Vehicle Weekends 07MY L322 TDV8 Vogue SE Series 1 80" 3ltr 6cyl with overdrive No Worries 4X4 |
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12th Apr 2015 4:22pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5648
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They are the old version of
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand+Tools...210/p30616 |
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12th Apr 2015 4:47pm |
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