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ericvv



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Which grease to use for hubs/alloy wheels?
I have been using plenty copper slip on the hubs when my steel winter Wolf wheels are put on.
But after Easter I will put a new set of SVX dual tone wheels on, and I have been reading that copper slip is not the right grease to use for alloys, due to its metal content.
Would ceramic grease be better for this? That is metal free, and supposedly is good for isolating the alloy from the steel hubs, so avoid bi-metal reactions.
Eric

Found this one on amazon, and thinking of ordering.
http://www.amazon.de/Innotec-Ceramic-Greas...ease+spray You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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I use Castrol graphite moly. Grease .. It's black and greasy Thumbs Up
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Always used copperslip on vehicles with alloys. I too have read about people recommending not to; but my experience with a set of wheels I still have that are 14 years old is that it has never done any harm.
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Always used CopperGrease, and everybody I know does too! An engine to TDi for!
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Dissimilar metal corrosion needs basically three things....oxygen , moisture and a different electrolytic potential between two mediums. Removing the moisture and oxygen are easy and you could use just about any grease to do this as long as you can get it to stay put at high rotational speeds. Using copperslip with it's conductive properties also assists in keeping the two different metals to the same electrolytic potential. Hope this makes sense.

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As someone that's never greased a hub when putting a wheel on, should I be, and what advantage does it give?
I can absolutely see the point of putting copper slip on the studs.
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GUM97



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Greasing hubs has one huge advantage...the wheels are easier to get off when you want to get them off! If you've ever tried to get a set of wheels off that have been on for a long time with no grease, you'll know it bloody hard work! An engine to TDi for!
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Agree with Gum.....read this as an example, copperslip used there too.......the internet is 'festooned' with examples of alloys siezed onto the hubs due to corrosion...

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/24941...d-on-drum/ If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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corrosion block grease , best of both worlds , slippery and anti corrosion
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So I've never actually taken an alloy wheel off Embarassed
But I've never had one of the steel wheels I've taken off get stuck, and I've experienced some pretty rusty steels!
Even an LDV Convoy that had lived on the Welsh coast and had a severe case of body tin-worm had no issues.

Maybe I should be inspecting my car wheels at some point! If it can do it on a one year old Skoda, it can certainly do it on a 3 year old Hyundai.

I wish I'd read this thread yesterday when I had my Defender up in the air with the wheels off Rolling Eyes
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a lot of the problem is pressure washing the wheel , the water and traffic film remover/wheel cleaner used gets in behind the water and starts the alloy corrosion between the disslimer metals

most wheel/traffic film remover has a acid/alkaline in it which speeds process up
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K9F



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The pressure loss experience on the other thread is quite often down to the tyre fitters damaging the clear lack finish with metal levers when fitting the tyres perhaps? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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ericvv



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I ordered a can of the Innotec Ceramic Grease Spray. The description specifically talks about it being free of silicon and of metal content, and ideal to avoid contact corrossion between rims and hubs... I guess I buy that argument.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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Supacat



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Workshop manual is clear:

"Alloy wheels: Lightly coat wheel mounting spigot face with a suitable anti-seize compound to minimise possibility of adhesion between wheel and spigot face."
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Merlin



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Copper grease corrodes alloy, use LM grease. I know it's used extensively, but that doesn't make it right!

Merlin
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