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| penguinsprogress Member Since: 03 Jun 2014 Location: henley on thames Posts: 14   
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Hi,
Every car I've driven has a style of driving that the designers and engineers worked towards... however, I can't work out what is the accepted way to drive a 2.4 TDCi Defender on the road (apart from very slowly)... having tried all manner of combinations... do you use 1st to start off, or do you slip the clutch in 2nd? Do you shift early up to 4th (1500 revs) and then let the torque pull it up to speed... or do you spin it out in the gears (3000 revs) and change gear with an overspin to make the change smooth. What is your experience and is there a Defender style? Very interested to know.  |
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9th Mar 2015 11:23am |
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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060  
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Defender driving style starts when you climb in. Relax, enjoy the commanding view, and let the torque do the talking.
Short shift (shift at low revs) in the lower gears. Only use more revs (up to 2800 rpm) once up in 4th, 5th and 6th, and even then, only if you really have to! Definitely get past 1st as early as possible. Bypassing it, only feels good on downhill starts. 1998 Tdi 90 SW, 2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs, Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons |
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9th Mar 2015 11:59am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20299
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I always use 1st, the strain on 2nd pulling away is immense on the running gear and clutch.
I normally use 1st in any orientation full stop. You only really need to over Rev pulling off up a steep ish incline to prevent the revs dropping off fast. You should rarely ever need to go past 3k revs unless you are needing yo shift for a reason. 5th is best for most higher speed A roads bug 6th is useful when you've got open road ut no doubt you'll need to slip down one to bring the speed down. If you have an Alive tune like mine does it will pull like a train. |
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9th Mar 2015 2:12pm |
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| NickH Member Since: 01 Nov 2014 Location: Halifax Posts: 204 
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I agree with custom90steve, if you havent got a remap particularly an Alive one , get one because it just makes it much more relaxing and easier/nicer to drive.
 2003 Td5 90
2013 sport hse 2012 700 raptor quad 2012 siromer 4x4 tractor |
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9th Mar 2015 8:54pm |
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| Venomator Member Since: 25 Aug 2014 Location: Peterborough Posts: 2087
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Much as I would like a tune jobby, there is little point for the current truck...
However, to answer the OP - my style could probably be termed relaxed... 
Unlike Steve, I always use 2nd to pull away unless it is on an incline! 1st is far too short a gear for normal driving and I do not find any need for excess clutch slipping or undue strain on the drive train at all - in fact we were always told to ignore 1st in Forces training, unless it was a proper hill start...
Gear changes will generally happen at around 2,500 and I don't think I have ever got near to 3000rpm... 
Find your best approach by relaxing into your truck and driving it with sensitivity for your P&J...  Rog...
The GREEN One... MY2016 Urban Truck Build Thread - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic40548....al[/color] Last edited by Venomator on 10th Mar 2015 7:06am. Edited 1 time in total |
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9th Mar 2015 9:29pm |
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| Simon27 Member Since: 30 Oct 2012 Location: East Lothian Posts: 131  
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2nd gear is always fine if I'm not facing up hill. Starting in first means I have to rev right up to 3000 rpm to give enough time/momentum for a non-crunchy shift into 2nd.
All other gears seem easy either way. My driving instructor always taught me to accelerate with the gas pedal, not the gears, but in the Defender it suits shifting up quicker. |
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9th Mar 2015 10:19pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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I believe 1st gear is there for good reason...
Interesting read in the LRM April issue. Need I say more? Eric  Click image to enlarge You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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10th Mar 2015 5:42am |
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| Venomator Member Since: 25 Aug 2014 Location: Peterborough Posts: 2087
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That says nothing about using 1st gear Eric...
But it does repeat my own conclusion...
And, no, I have not seen that article before, mine is just common sense good practice and respect for one's P&J... Rog...
The GREEN One... MY2016 Urban Truck Build Thread - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic40548....al[/color] |
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10th Mar 2015 7:05am |
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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060
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Interesting opinions here.
I drove to work this morning avoiding 1st gear. Its actually quite good! Often smoother than a first gear start. But not always. To begin with I didnīt touch the accelerator, letting the anti-stall do the work. It is neccessary to slip the clutch a tad more than in 1st, and off we were with one cog change less to deal with. It didnīt work so well on a brisker start. The clutch bites, choking the revs, which donīt react to increased throttle, and the diesel knocks and chatters fighting to stay alive. I shall give it a fair chance, and see how I get on. I can well imagine that an optimised tune, allowing more torque at low throttle opening, would make all the difference. Wheelbase, equipment, fuel and passengers also influence how each of our vehicles drive. Some more compliant than others. In these times of double clutch automatics, variable timing and compliant drivetrains, I really cherish driving a car that demands driver interaction to just get it moving . 1998 Tdi 90 SW,
2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs, Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons |
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10th Mar 2015 9:02am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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It's interesting how people do or don't use 1st gear. I've tried both but believe using 1st to get the wheels rolling is far more mechanically sympathetic to my vehicle than not. The only exception is if I'm on a downhill slope when starting and i may let it roll a little first before lifting the clutch in 2nd.
Instinctly, it feels right. |
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10th Mar 2015 9:12am |
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