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shaggydog



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W terminal Wire Gauge?
Hi guys,

Another electrical question I'm afraid (groans all round).

This time it concerns Wire Gauges - ie how thick to power what?

I want to wire in a tachograph to my W terminal - I assume this will need a fairly heavy wire?

Secondly I want to wire in my fusebox, I fear I may have purchased the wrong sort as it seems to be for running wires through rather than a supply and run off so I will get a Blue Sea box on order, but what gauge of wire do I need to run from the battery terminals to the fusebox.

I imagine there is a set way of working the thickness required for the item but I don't know where to look.

Any pointers would be gratefully appreciated.

Thank you

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you need to what watts or amps etc really then work from that

take you mean a tachometer ( rev counter ) not like a hgv tachgrapgh
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What sort of current do you need to put down the cable and how long is it?

As a starting point this table might be of use:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wire-gauges-d_419.html

Bear in mind voltage drop due to the cable resistance - there's something linked to from that page about it on a 12V system.

Fuses need to go as close to the battery as far upstream as possible. The fuse is to protect the cable in case of a fault on the cable, so I personally wouldn't run a cable out of the battery box without a fuse. If the insulation rubs through on the way out of the box and contacts the body then you may get a fire if there's no fuse to blow.


Slightly OT:
When I'm building up controllers, I always have the cable feeding all my individual circuit breakers/fuses rated to carry the full current of the incomer, so if there's a fault somewhere the incoming fuse will blow before the cable goes. That's not to say the cable is sized for voltage drop at the full current, because under non-fault conditions you may be running at far lower currents. Not everyone operates like this and I have come across an installation with 2.5mm2 cables feeding a row of circuit breakers with no upstream protection smaller than 100A. That's fine to run the loads it was supplying but not fine if anything went wrong.
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Audio cables gauge are measured form 0 or 00 Being the largest to 4 gauge, 8 gauge etc etc.

So the smaller the number the larger the gauge in this instance. As mentioned voltage drop across the cable length is worth bearing in mind and there are charts online to follow regarding this.
I'm running a 4 gauge for my Amp which is a bit overkill for a 50A load, but the cable run is short too so it'll be running most efficiently.
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Thanks for spotting that Munch90 Embarassed Indeed I meant the rev counter.

The rev counter wire is just from the back of the alternator W terminal to the back of the dial so maybe 2m?

Cupboard: Thanks for that I think it will be very useful.

I'm planning to put the fusebox into the battery box next to the battery with a dedicated wire from the fuse box to the battery as currently it is a little like spaghetti junction in there and I want to neaten it up and make it all a bit more safe. Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197

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munch90



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think your find the w terminal wire is only a signal wire really so guessing it only needs to be light gauge wire
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Would 3mm wire be sufficient? Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197

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0.5mm^2 would be fine, it's only carrying a tiny, tiny current.

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3MM would be more than adequate Thumbs Up
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Bow down Bow down

Thank you again everyone for your help will toddle down to halfords tomorrow and pick up some bits Thumbs Up

Just need to work out how many pulses it sends now Shocked Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197

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if it's only for a signal cable I'd have popped a bit of 0.2mm^2 in an envelope and posted it to you Laughing
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Haha Your very kind Cupboard.

I needed to pop in anyway and get some car washing stuff anyway.

Thanks for the offer though! Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197

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