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tcqf



Member Since: 27 Jan 2013
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
Hello roger I bought a new 110 utility in2008 for work as a commercial vehicle,reclaimed the vat but did not check the tax only to find that LR had registered it as a station wagon just under £500 road tax,I went to the local dvla and got it changed to commercial,after 6 months they changed it back and told me there was nothing I could do,still paying £500 road tax!
Post #391262 21st Jan 2015 10:20pm
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Iain



Member Since: 09 Nov 2014
Location: Aberdeenshire
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
My 110 2.2 XS USW on order is a commercial purchase for my small company.

The VAT side is easy enough as its classed as commercial and the N1 class firmly places it in that box. VAT reclaimable.

Ref the 'grey area' created by the definitions on the various HMRC web pages. The N1 class gives the vast majority of the proof needed to establish that it is a vehicle whose primary purpose of construction is the carriage of goods. This sort of over rules the grey bits of second row seats, windows behind the front row, etc and any kg uncertainty.

There are far too many examples of people buying and using this vehicle in this way and paying the commercial vehicle 'van' BIK for it not to be ok.

IF you still feel the need to query it, When phoning the HMRC ensure you speak to someone in the correct dept and get the ref code for your technical query. Don't let them off the phone until you have a very specific reply. which will be as the others have posted, but that ref code is your 'get out of paying any more tax card' incase an individual inspector sees the USW in a grey light or even your own accountant.

I have been through the exact same worry you are!
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MikeJ



Member Since: 04 May 2014
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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Fuji White
This is to do with the way that LR calculate payload and HMRC calculate payload.

My accountant told me this:

"HMRC’s starting point is that the vehicle is a commercial vehicle for VAT purposes if it has a one tonne payload.

Worryingly Land Rover’s website states the maximum payload of this particular vehicle to be 988kg (not 1 tonne)!

HMRC define a one tonne payload as the difference between a vehicle’s kerb weight and its maximum gross weight. Kerb weight is further defined as the weight of a vehicle when it carries no person and a full tank of fuel.

Land Rover’s states that the vehicle’s gross vehicle weight is 3,050kg and its minimum kerb weight 2,062kg, hence the 988kg payload. However Land Rover’s minimum kerb weight is defined as unladen weight + full tank + 75kg driver. Not the same thing!

So by my reckoning the payload as defined by HMRC is 988Kg + 75Kkg = 1,063kg i.e. more than tonne."


On that basis, I bought one and no-one's ever argued.

Cheers

Mike
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walfy



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I'm the same. My accountant went through the rule book and came to the same conclusion as the rest of you. VAT qualifying and classed as a commercial vehicle for BIK 110 D250 SE HT
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