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| Pierce.M Member Since: 17 Jul 2012 Location: Newcastle Posts: 16  
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Perhaps a service wouldn't go a miss?
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28th Nov 2014 5:36pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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keep it topped up with diesel , when it drops to 3/4 fill up again then when it drop to 3/4 again top again just to get the level of petrol down and down as soon as possible
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28th Nov 2014 6:01pm |
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| Wangers Member Since: 19 Jan 2013 Location: West London Posts: 265  
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Assume he's paying your AA bill and any further service costs and a full tank of Diesel, surely ......
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28th Nov 2014 6:41pm |
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| Fujixs90 Member Since: 19 Jun 2014 Location: Yarm Posts: 28 
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Replace the fuel filter and put a fuel injector cleaner through as the whole system will have scarf in it if your drove it for about 8 miles.
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28th Nov 2014 6:56pm |
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| Pierce.M Member Since: 17 Jul 2012 Location: Newcastle Posts: 16
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Many thanks for the quick replies!
Wangers - i can tell he feels like a real Muppet! He has paid for everything thus far but he is a good friend so apart from bring it up every time I see him for the next three years I'll not hold any grudges! haha I was surprised how much the AA cost ... £250, seems expensive for 20 minutes work. Fujixs90 - I'll do just that, i've called my local Indie and I'm only 2 months away from a service due anyway so I'll have it serviced and injectors cleaned. |
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28th Nov 2014 7:10pm |
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| Clive Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Littleborough Posts: 467 
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Might be worth adding ½ a litre of 2 stroke oil to the tank too, it helps to improve the pump lubrication and is generally good for the fuel system.
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28th Nov 2014 7:10pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295 
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... what exactly was done by the AA... 
Hope you do get away with this...and it's a lucky escape  SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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28th Nov 2014 7:37pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347 
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I still don't understand how you can look at a defender and think "yes, this needs petrol"
Modern diesel engines do have a tolerance for petrol in the diesel which will be in your handbook. However a full tank of it may be too much. Problem is the petrol will cause seals to soften and can cause issues further down the line. Change your fuel filter, brim the tank with diesel. Just keep topping it up with diesel for now, try and dilute what is left in the lines it as much as possible by constantly topping it up. Then after about 2 tankfuls change your filter again, add some forte' injector cleaner and then fingers crossed you should be ok. Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197 Self confessed mileage hunter  |
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28th Nov 2014 7:37pm |
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| MadTom Member Since: 10 Sep 2013 Location: Olomouc Posts: 623  
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TDCi engine runnig on diesel+petrol mix? If you are very lucky, it will survive. But probably not.
1. high pressure diesel pump - makes more than 1800bar into rail 2. injectors If you are lucky, only the pumpy is destroied and now small metal particles from pump are flowing through the injectors. This is tipical problem of TDCi engines with bad diesel - aprox. in 150 000km. You can save expensive injectors repair, if you are fast and place your car to a specialist - they will check the diesel filter and if there are some metal particles inside they will now, what to do. Replace the high pressure pump, pipes and rail - it is not possible to clean them. And check injectors on a tester or clean them - if you are lucky. But, it the engine was running and than stopped it self, i think, it is a big problem. Common rail diesel is very sensitive for fuel quality. Much more than older engines, because it works with 10 times higher pressures, "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "BlufÃnek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo  |
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28th Nov 2014 9:39pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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Ive done hundreds of mis fuels over the years petrol in diesel , diesel in petrol on all makes and models old and new , and its not as bad as some make it out to be
if you stopped fairly soon , then I think your be ok , might be worth putting a fuel lube additive to be on safe side and keep it topped up with diesel |
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28th Nov 2014 9:54pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
Thanks to Munch90 for offering words of positive support based on real life experience.
Others queue up like the Prophets of Doom led by Cassandra ......... |
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28th Nov 2014 11:20pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20413
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I'd recommend some additive too, it should give it a clean in the process .
I'm using Millers right now and it goes well. |
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28th Nov 2014 11:38pm |
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| MadTom Member Since: 10 Sep 2013 Location: Olomouc Posts: 623
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TDCi engine in Puma is from Ford, with some minor modiffications. I have towed 2 friends car (Mondeo and Transit) to a specialist. Both not new, but both with petrol in diesel. Mondeo owner was lucky - didn't started the engine on petrol, and it was only cleaning of fuel tank and fuel lines with some additives. No problem.
Transit owner made 10km run with aprox 90% of petrol in fuel. Ha was partly happy - "only" cleaning, new fuel filter and new high pressure pump and high pressure pipes. The pump was partly seized and small metal particles was comming out of the pump - into high pressure rail and pipes and into injectors. Seizing of high pressure pump is big problem with common rail engines. It will destroy slowly the pump and also the expensive injectors. Injectors were good enough, to be just testes and ultrasound cleaned. TD5 or older diesels in LR can wistand much worse fuel, but not TDCi. For very old diesel engines, there was recomendation to add petrol in fuel in winter. But not with common rail diesel. And because of very bad previous experience with LR or Ford dealers here in Czech republic (they know nearly nothig about common rail and how to repair it properly), we only use a specialist for common rail. It is cheaper and they really know, what they are doing. The need for purity is very high. "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "BlufÃnek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo |
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29th Nov 2014 6:18am |
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| Dave-H Member Since: 08 Feb 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1507 
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Like Munch, having spent numerous years as a commercial vehicle mechanic I've had my fair share of mis fuelling incidents.
Unfortunately, modern day diesels with common rail system and high pressure pump, rely on the right fuel [Heavy Oil] as a lubricant for the fuel system as well as the fuel to run. Petrol is a solvent, not an oil, and as such it flushes the lubricating properties of the diesel away. The doom mongers speak a lot of sense actually, You may be lucky and suffer no ill effects ..... Or you may have caused premature catastrophic wear to pump etc that will come back and 'bite you on the ass' at any time.
Fingers crossed for you  Guns and Landrovers .... anything else is irrelevant. |
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29th Nov 2014 3:53pm |
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