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MadTom



Member Since: 10 Sep 2013
Location: Olomouc
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Czech Republic 1999 Defender 130 Td5 HCPU Baltic Blue
Snow chains, especialy some HD version, are usefull also in summer. I have some modiffied chains from truck. MT tyres with snow chains makes you "unstopable". But the chains are a bit heavirer - like over 20kg for one wheel. And in winter, 4 chains and rear locker and 0,5m of snow was just a fun. When it goes to 1m, we had to switch on the front locker.
But on road it is very harsh.
So proper winter tyres are the only solution here. With MT or even AT you will still move, but only in straight direction, and have no brakes. It is not very funny, when you arrive to a road crossing, and you are not able to turn right, only move straight.
4x4 is nice, but tyres and weight is impotant for steering and braking.
For Discovery2 i have 3 sets of tyres - winter, AT for travelling and MT for fun or some local use. For Def 130 winter tyres and BGF MT KM2 - somethink between AT and MT. "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "BlufĂ­nek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo Smile
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ZeDefender



Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

Germany 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Baltic Blue
Totally agree. I think OP has got it right with the Nokian/Cooper tyre wheel combo, although I would still keep a set of HD chains for really bad conditions. The maximum speed for chains here is 50 km/h but I never drive much more than 30 or so as the momentum of a 110 is not to be underestimated Shocked Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
Post #362278 5th Oct 2014 8:08am
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Timo K



Member Since: 23 Aug 2012
Location: Helsinki
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Finland 
It's understandable that chains are used on compacted snow there, here not so much because a) no mountains, b) studded winter tyres don't really warrant the use of chains on roads.

Half a meter of snow and you should stay home? Absolutely not! Good snow chains front and back and a nice open field = fun^3 Very Happy

If planning to buy a set of snow chains (even one pair will get you through most places) invest in good quality heavy duty ones. The normal thule etc. ones are too lightly built and will not take anything except very light occasional on road use. Offroad they simply don't last.
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ZeDefender



Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
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Germany 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Baltic Blue
Absolutely - even on-road the standard (car) chains don't last long - found that out after only six months Embarassed
Unfortunately the suitable SUV/truck versions are eye-wateringly expensive. My RUDs, e.g.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/RUD-matic-Classic-V...35cd27937a
are about Ł350 now but they're worth it (mine have lasted 3 years). Fortunately you only need one set with the diff locked.

Perhaps one difference around here is that snow chains are compulsory on a lot of Austrian mountain roads, i.e. if you want to go snowboarding anywhere decent (or visit your friends - lucky sods - at their mountain house) you have to have them in the vehicle if the police stop you and you have to use them when conditions require it. If you don't, you get a hefty fine and the insurance won't pay up...

As for playing in the snow, we ditch the Landy and grab some snowboards Thumbs Up

p.s. just reminded me I need to find my chains in the hoarder's paradise we call a garage Rolling Eyes Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
Post #362523 6th Oct 2014 7:11am
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Timo K



Member Since: 23 Aug 2012
Location: Helsinki
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Finland 
I guess the biggest difference is the alps. Over there it's really understandable to go with chains, they give much better slow speed traction on slippery surfaces. Over here we have very few hills to worry about, but 80km/h on snowy and icy roads is not common, it's a fact of life. Studded tyres are king.

I paid about 600€ for two pairs of really heavy duty Mafri chains, they were fantastic for all sorts of winter offroad work. Sadly they're no longer being made, but RUD etc make pretty much identical products.

Damn I wish the winter snowstorms would start already. Smile I guess this perversion comes with owning a Defender Very Happy
Post #362565 6th Oct 2014 10:30am
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