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SHOULD I BUY A PUMA 90 XS

YES

84%

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KEEP MY 300TDI

15%

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dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
Posts: 3586

TD5 is the past, Puma is "now" and, may be, the LAST Defender!!!!!!!! Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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21st Jun 2010 9:12pm

Lee S

Member Since: 06 Sep 2009
Location: Solihull
Posts: 43

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Tonga Green

Haven't posted for a while, but here's my take on it.

Ordered my 1st Land Rover in Nov 09 - a 110 Utility XS in silver.

Rejected it in Feb on PDI for paint issues and panel alignmet which was told later was body alignment !. Re-ordered identical 110 and waited again - next one was as 5hite as the 1st one so rejected that. Had deposit back and walked away.

I'm not really that fussy but for circa £30k you expect a reasonable level of manufacturing standards. I live a stones throw away from the Solihull plant and know several people who work there. Sadly, the Defender is now the butt of everyones jokes who work for LR at the moment and it appears those who bolt them together don't give a 5hite either - its also really sufferred in cost cutting - now zero rust proofing, if ever there was any, but have read some reports there used to be a token jesture ! - the costs for assembling these have now been stripped back to the bare minimum - paint thickness is another. Rusting chassis and bulkhead on new vehicles - just not acceptable, (perhaps they should store them inside at the factory instead of outside in the fooking rain !!.

£30k still in my pocket, but i still want one ................

ps - wonderful story about your daughter Spud, thats what kids are for - happy times and i wish you many more. You are obviously a very proud dad indeed

21st Jun 2010 9:15pm

harveyg77

Member Since: 09 Apr 2010
Location: Derby
Posts: 309

People keep saying there is no rust proofing on the new Defenders, but what do they mean? What did older ones have that the new ones don't? Is it a problem if mines Waxoyled?

21st Jun 2010 9:34pm

alantd

Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 1513

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

harveyg77 wrote:
People keep saying there is no rust proofing on the new Defenders, but what do they mean? What did older ones have that the new ones don't? Is it a problem if mines Waxoyled?

The older ones had thicker paint, aluminium doors, bonnet and tail, a coating of wax underneath (although this is just for storage and shouldn't be confused with waxoyl or similar).

The best thing to do is to get it waxoyled ASAP. It took me 2 years (saving up) but all done now

One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
+ New Defender 110 First Edition

21st Jun 2010 10:12pm

o4dn

Member Since: 08 Jan 2010
Location: South West
Posts: 538

2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alaska White

alantd wrote:
[...] aluminium doors, bonnet and tail [...]

Actually, aluminium panels with a steel frame.

Even if aluminium would not rust like steel, that does not mean that corrosion cannot happen though, it's a different form of corrosion.

However, the steal frame would rust even more due to bi-metal corrosion, I owned a TD5 for a short period of time and the door inner frames were completely gone in dust, and you could not tell by simply looking at the door panel, pretty funny thing (sad actually).

So at least, using steel for the bonnet and doors will avoid the bi-metal corrosion. I would consider this an improvement on the Puma if the steel is correctly protected

22nd Jun 2010 6:56am

sasha2001

Member Since: 02 Jan 2009
Location: New Zealand+ russia
Posts: 206

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Tonga Green

well said spudan, great to hear about your daughter and her success, i understand having a autistic child who has made brillant progress also, this is because we were lucky to find a brillant speech therapist and teacher aide and from some one with no language to mainstream school, writing and begining to expand well
rather like the Landrover puma in that anything can be overcome if you find/get the right help ranging from a brillant non offical landrover shop here to forum like this and people on them who are willing to share knowledge, everything is so much easier!!!
I love my puma and still want to drive it across Russia east to west to my wifes family home so I have some faith in it

22nd Jun 2010 8:59am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

For the cost cutting I would go for an earlier one ironically - as its only got worse.

That said - they beat the TD5 and earlier hands down, wouldnt look back for all its issues. (maybe i miss the v8 but that was because its a v8!!)

As for paint all our modern cars are the same - paint cover is much worse and i think there is something to be said about the advances in paint which mean they arent as robust.

Mine will likely get another waxoyling this summer - i may even do the innerside of the doors.

Dont forget - you still get 6 years anti-corrosion warranty!!

so check it at 3 before it looses it main warranty - get it serviced and ticked properly then check it at 5.11! Mike

22nd Jun 2010 4:23pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

Naks wrote:
alantd wrote:
They do have faults - probably more than most - but they're fairly basic and rugged so it doesn't matter too much.

As I like to say, very un-PC'ish - Owning a Defender is like having a kid with Downs Syndrome. You know it's retarded, you can't help loving it

Just an addition to my earlier post and reponse to Naks. I accept the humorous and indeed valid point made in Nak's post . I responded in perhaps a little heavy handed fashion but the post just hit a little close to home. We all have our off days! 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

25th Jul 2010 9:51pm

bm52

Member Since: 04 Apr 2010
Location: Kent
Posts: 2189

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Havana

Two things.

1. Spud - i think everyone knows no one meant any offence to anyone, well that's how i read the threads. all cool i think.

2. if all goes well i am seeing my potential 90 Puma tomorrow. if all goes well i'll buy it! BM52

25th Jul 2010 10:03pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

Be prepared to fall in love! 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

25th Jul 2010 10:15pm

bm52

Member Since: 04 Apr 2010
Location: Kent
Posts: 2189

Did it, bought a 90 XS for collection on Saturday

BM52

26th Jul 2010 7:55pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Excellent news! Glad you 'wiped your minge' 'manned up' and took the plunge and bought your Puma. Welcome to the fold....Never a faint heart and warts 'n' all have been mentioned many a time.

Apologies by the way if you've ever had or intend to have a sex change.

Just to keep on the right side of PC.

Hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do!

If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

26th Jul 2010 8:00pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

bm52 wrote:
Did it, bought a 90 XS for collection on Saturday

Was outside last night and the Puma caught my eye so I went over to it and got in. Was not going anywhere but I just sat, savoured and enjoyed. Don't be surprised if you find yourself doing the same! Welcome to the fold. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

27th Jul 2010 9:11am

Setok

Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 419

ofourdan wrote:
alantd wrote:
[...] aluminium doors, bonnet and tail [...]

Even if aluminium would not rust like steel, that does not mean that corrosion cannot happen though, it's a different form of corrosion.

That is true, but oxidised aluminium forms a protective layer which stops the corrosion from continuing. Doesn't help with the bi-metal corrosion (they should haver a layer of something between the aluminium and steel), but it does mean aluminium panels are less likely to crumble away than steel.

28th Jul 2010 2:17pm

bm52

Member Since: 04 Apr 2010
Location: Kent
Posts: 2189

12 hours to go...........

BM52

30th Jul 2010 8:13pm

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