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shaggydog

Member Since: 12 Aug 2012
Location: Kent
Posts: 3347

1991 Defender 110 200 Tdi USW Arles Blue

The DC100 was (I'm told by a service engineer at main dealer) built onto the old range rover sport chassis (which was a discovery chassis tweeked a bit) with the rear end cut off so I can see the Defender replacement using some kind of combination of the 2.

My own oppinion is that Land Rover are looking more towards getting into Chinese markets and building further on Eastern and American markets, amining squarely at the "big money" rollers than the sheep farmers. they are not interested in Military contracts or Utility contracts, they want plush big money short life cars which go out of fashion quickly when a new model comes out so they can sell you lots of lovely finance.

The sad inevitability is that the modern Defender replacement is never going to be as good or as capable as the current model. This will be fact. Yes it may have woopdy do dah electronics that can sense exactly how much grip you have on each sq inch of the tyers and use clever braking and diff and gearbox and engine computers to regulate this power. But we have all see the videos of Range Rovers and Discoverys with exactly this technology getting stuck in a slightly damp field because the computers don't know how to handle the information and there is no manual override, consequently it will not be as capable as a defender you can stick in diff lock and crawl out on tick over.

I won't be ordering a DC100, but I will however keep bringing my 200Tdi to the dealership because every time I do everyone who walks past it says that it is a proper land rover. And someone needs to remind them that!

27th Jun 2014 12:16pm

SailingTom

Member Since: 19 Nov 2013
Location: ESSEX
Posts: 1720

Just popped over to the range rover sport forum following the link in this thread and they seem to have been a bit offended in that thread, would appear they cant take a bit of stick.
Maybe its because they have an inferiority complex about not driving real land rovers or range rovers

Defender puma dormobile camper

27th Jun 2014 12:16pm

rtm89

Member Since: 14 May 2013
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 255

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Galway Green

Wish they'd bring back the hand throttle like on my old series 3 I learned to drive in.
Free cruise control!

Amazing

27th Jun 2014 1:21pm

Happyoldgit

Member Since: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3471

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey

Setok wrote:
Miserableolgit wrote:
Same old, same old. I've said it before and I'll say it again, until Land Rover unveil the final design to the great unwashed other than what has been shown of the the DC100 there is little in the way of material substance to go on.

Isn't the point of concepts to get discussion going? Besides, we have now been told that the unit being demoed more publicly is close to the DC100.

(And no, I don't honestly believe this was a 'mole', as some have claimed)

Sure nothing wrong with discussion but better still to have one that isn't based on the kind of smoke and mirror non information that started this thread. Even better if said discussion contained some new observations and not the same kind of thing that has already been said over and over again in this section. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades.
Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW.

[Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc]

http://forums.lr4x4.com

I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic.

27th Jun 2014 1:38pm

Happyoldgit

Member Since: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3471

SailingTom wrote:
Just popped over to the range rover sport forum following the link in this thread and they seem to have been a bit offended in that thread, would appear they cant take a bit of stick.
Maybe its because they have an inferiority complex about not driving real land rovers or range rovers

People are basically tribal in nature and it's the same with regard to online forums. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades.
Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW.

[Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc]

http://forums.lr4x4.com

I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic.

27th Jun 2014 1:40pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

The thing is the original post(s) told us nothing at all. It wouldn't have been so bad if the one question "what did it look like" had been answered. Even just "yes it looks like the DC100" or "No it doesn't like the DC100" would have been sufficient.

But to say it looks like the one in the photos is just meaningless, which photos? There have been several mock-up "New Defenders" from various sources. Some good, some crap. Personally I wouldn't want to own a car that looks like a DC100.

I think in general there is no opposition to more refinement and tech levels in the new model, but you have to ask just why the styling has to be so radically different? 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

27th Jun 2014 9:53pm

Pickles

Member Since: 26 May 2013
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3782

2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Keswick Green

Like I said, no-one told us anything, because in reality, how could they, because they knew nothing either. Whatever they "saw", I would suggest, gave them no real FACTS at all. IMHO, the two guys were trying to "stir" us?
Pickles.

27th Jun 2014 10:53pm

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

^^ Pickles, when you read the thread that one of these two gentlemen (jim4244) subsequently started on the RRS forum, it looks like he is the one that got pretty "stirred up" about this all...
http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/post428099.html

You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw

28th Jun 2014 4:15am

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Playing the same game on the sister forum 'two birds one stone.' Priceless....and we all took the bait.

If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

28th Jun 2014 5:23am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

I think jim4244 lacks a "nothing box".... It seems all driven by "emotions" up there....

28th Jun 2014 6:35am

Pickles

Member Since: 26 May 2013
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3782

K9F wrote:

Playing the same game on the sister forum 'two birds one stone.' Priceless....and we all took the bait.

Ha ha ha, Well, I did not (see my posts this tread) "take the bait", I ain't that smart either, but I always knew that there was NO WAY Landrover, or any other manufacturer for that matter, was going to give away ANYTHING in an ëvent"such as these guys attended.
Pickles.

28th Jun 2014 7:38am

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

K9F wrote:

Playing the same game on the sister forum 'two birds one stone.' Priceless....and we all took the bait.

No we 'all' didn't

but youse did

29th Jun 2014 12:29am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

I think he got to comment on things like this:

Cars designed by committee/focus groups and looking for the volume sales required to hit the accountant's numbers

After all, isn't that where the SVO team are headed with the Sport shown at Goodwood:

More here:
http://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/Car-Mashups-897

8th Jul 2014 8:10am

Grunt

Member Since: 11 Jan 2014
Location: Salisbury Plain
Posts: 2

mk1collector wrote:
With the diversity of people on this defender based forum, is it just me that finds it strange that the two people who have seen the new defender have recently joined and seem to be very coy on details? Maybe I'm just being too suspicious in thinking its Landrover trying to butter us up

It wouldn't be the first time that relevant forums have been infiltrated, sounded out and "guided" in their thinking by concerned commercial interests.

Can't see that approach working very well here though..... too many people who know their own mind.

8th Jul 2014 2:50pm

smb

Member Since: 15 Jan 2013
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 1232

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

Maybe they just wanted to feel important and popular......

8th Jul 2014 3:10pm

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