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| excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5843   
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I did the same thing with my td5 110 but not at motorway speeds (30/40mph speeds) 1999 Defender TD5 110
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7th May 2014 9:14pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17373 
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No, but drive gently since the driveline loading on the rear will be higher and be aware that the handling characteristics will be different. Expect pronounced understeer on wet tarmac.
It's even more peculiar if you take the rear propshaft off an run in front wheel drive! |
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7th May 2014 9:16pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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No, I drove out of the desert in Morocco and back to the UK with no front prop.
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7th May 2014 9:17pm |
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| Interlet Member Since: 10 Oct 2011 Location: Norwich Posts: 461 
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Understeer without the front prop? I think you mean the opposite. As rear wheel drive in wet, it will certainly be oversteer.
I ran my 110 without the front prop for about 2 months without problems. 1998 110 300Tdi White Hard Top |
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7th May 2014 9:24pm |
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| Mountain_man Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Right side of Offas Dyke Posts: 756 
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Nope, I towed a challenge truck 300 miles across England with no front prop on my disco.
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7th May 2014 9:32pm |
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| carrotbay Member Since: 18 Aug 2013 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 699 
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Great .. Thanks. I'll take off tomorrow and try a trip to work to see if the vibration is less. 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X
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7th May 2014 9:51pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707
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Have you raised your suspension?
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7th May 2014 10:06pm |
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| carrotbay Member Since: 18 Aug 2013 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 699
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No .. Dropped it 1 inch. Vibration started when it was standard though. I am suspecting the rear diff but could be transfer box. Vibration is quite high frequency felt through gear stick and floors. It seems to be worse after a reasonable run.
Any ideas welcome .. thanks 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X |
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7th May 2014 10:23pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17373
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I have vivid memories of the back end pushing the front end in a generally straight on direction, so, no, I did mean understeer in this case. I imagine that it depends very much on circumstances, so best advice is probably to be alert for the unexpected. |
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7th May 2014 10:25pm |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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And the pot noodle challenge was born  |
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8th May 2014 5:31am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707
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Nail on head there Ken
In fact we drove out of the desert with a smashed front diff so we had to remove the front drive shafts as well as the prop. This left the internals of the front hubs exposed to sand and grit so we improvised and sealed the ends of the axle with pot noodle containers. The Chicken Chowmein lasted till the UK but the Chicken & Mushroom had to be replaced in Madrid  Click image to enlarge |
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8th May 2014 6:36am |
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| Interlet Member Since: 10 Oct 2011 Location: Norwich Posts: 461
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I'm not trying to be funny or anything, just so this doesn't get heated and that it continues in a calm rational manner, but rear wheel drive vehicles will always (whether you notice it or not) have a tendency to oversteer, because as you corner, the rear like you said is propelling the vehicle forward, and naturally wanting to continue in a straight line at the newly turned direction. This will therefore push it further round, and if left uncorrected, in a very wet situation, will start to spin, potentially 180 or so. It is front wheel drive vehicles which will be understeerers, because the torque is dragging the rest of the vehicle along; the rear drive vehicles pushing it forward. Your description of what you felt to me seems correct, but the definition of that description seems to me almost impossible, if not extremely unlikely. I think you have maybe misunderstood the two terms. 1998 110 300Tdi White Hard Top |
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8th May 2014 8:17pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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front or rear wheel drive does not make a car oversteer or understeer , if a cars not set up right it can do either ( o or u steer ) wether it's fwd or rwd
there is a hundred different reasons why , corner weights , tracking , ackerman angle , weight transfer etc etc |
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8th May 2014 9:01pm |
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