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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610   
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I was a couple of years overdue, heard there was a clampdown so did something about it. It is an easy thing to overlook. Paragraph 4b on the licence should give the expiry date. Even WITH a passport if the photo is more than 5 years old you can't renew online. I had to do it the old fashioned way despite having a passport so you're not alone. More details here:
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/renew-driving-licence If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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22nd Apr 2014 3:44pm |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443  
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Did mine a couple of years ago, took some new passport style photos and an odd utility bill, birth certificate and such into the Post Office and they sorted it over the counter. My last passport ran out 16 years ago.
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22nd Apr 2014 4:08pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Yes, we checked the expiry date, it's January 2017. Picture shouldn't need changing, she still looks the bleedin' same.
 Now left. |
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22nd Apr 2014 4:39pm |
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| martinfiattech Member Since: 13 Nov 2013 Location: leicester Posts: 422
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I have to do mine every 3 years due to having epilepsy its a right pain in the arse it takes them 3 to 4 months to make up there minds to decide if I`am safe to drive, it`s off right now to be renewed so with a bit of luck and no fits I should be ok.
have you tried ringing the dvla medical phone line you can normaly get thru in under 5 minutes which for the dvla is quite good, you never know they might sneak you thru the system just play a bit daft, they do seem to enjoy it if you make them laugh its go me thru a lot quicker. I`ve been working the system for the last 16 years, only lost it three times thanks to the fits never even had a single point on it. just keep it all happy and nice if you can. It does`ent seem right they have cut her so short maybe they made an error, would they add the time on to her new licence if you asked them Thankfully for me the renewl is free and one day I might get a full and permanent licence, Excuse the spelling I`am better with spanners and wires. |
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23rd Apr 2014 10:03pm |
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| me@td5.org Member Since: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Warwick Posts: 856 
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Is it still free if you change address? www.td5.org
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24th Apr 2014 6:13am |
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| RockJaw Member Since: 15 Oct 2013 Location: United States Posts: 317  
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The UK is probably the best recognised country in the world for it's strong Administration laws, only the "subjects of the Crown" never seem to get to hear about these great laws. In simplicity, any authority in UK which seeks to conduct it's administrative functions as if it were a judicial authority acts beyond its authority and its legal capacity. This legal fact does not stop officious little tw@ts from trying, and I suspect this is the case here as well. In this case the DVLA performed an administrative function which resulted in your wife acquiring a licence valid for 10 years. This benefit received by your wife is valid without further commitment from her to act in any way for the full extent of the 10 year period of the benefit which she received from that same administrative authority. The result of this Administrative Action is that, unless an Act of Parliament 1- has been properly enacted and formalised and 2- is specifically enacted with retrospective effect dating back to a time prior to your wife's licence, well then the DVLA are acting way beyond their authority with this request. The best way to manage this is to respond to their correspondence with copies of the original licence, the original reference to the 10 year period and a challenge to the DVLA to present proof of that NEW authority which they claim to since then possess in order to demand a fresh application for renewal from your wife. Complete the correspondence with a notice that any costs associated with an Administrative error and which are not the direct result of your wife's fault will be claimed from the DVLA in full, including any legal costs. The alternative is to be a "politically correct" citizen and simply assume that everything any administrative authority says and does is legit, that they really are our Gods, and then tell your wife to bend over for a right good caning from them. ****CENSORED**** |
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24th Apr 2014 6:34am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Thanks guys. Yes, we are indeed going to ignore it, as we don't see how they can just change their policy like that either. The photo part of her licence clearly says it runs out in 2017, so that's when they'll get our money. My wife emailed them but they haven't replied. Now left.
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24th Apr 2014 7:42am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 
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Yes - I changed address a few weeks back, sure it was free  Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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24th Apr 2014 10:27am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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The other day my mate went to renew his online kept getting problems , paid a firm to do it , they sent his money back
thought it may have been a website problem etc rang dvlc in the end and found they had revoked his licence because they sent him some forms to fill in and he never done it because wasn't in the country , he was in afgan 3 years ago been driving around with no licence for 3 years |
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24th Apr 2014 11:00am |
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| Steveraspberry Member Since: 31 Oct 2013 Location: Sevenoaks Posts: 75
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Personally I think this is a mistake. If you ignore it, you run the risk of the licence being revoked and therefore invalidating you insurance etc. Renew it, then fight them for the fee. Safer for everyone involved. Yes, they can be a pain to deal with but ultimately the pain will be yours if you ignore it and get the licence revoked. Just MHO Best, Steve MY 90 King Cab 90 with well, loads of kit really. - SOLD
MY 02 D2 ES Black - The next project MY 14 D4 HSE Loire Blue - Mine MY 14 D4 HSE Corris Grey - Alis' MY 08 G4 D3 Genuine one of the 66. Gone but missed quite a bit Free Spirit Carbon Fibre wheelchair Large GSD called Abbs Small GSD called Bailey |
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24th Apr 2014 11:23am |
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| RockJaw Member Since: 15 Oct 2013 Location: United States Posts: 317
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If it is a mistake it is their mistake not Puddle's. Exactly how will they "revoke" the licence? On what grounds? Because some idiot feels like it? Puddles is not talking about North Korea here. Parliament enacts Britain's laws, the Judiciary adjudicates those laws and the administrative authorities can go suck eggs if they try to act as either a law maker or a Court. It really is that simple. Giving in to them is something I would not even consider. being afraid of them is something that will never happen and the threat of "invalidating" the licence is rubbish. Even if they go through all the actual steps of recording an invalidation the fact remains, invalidation will be as legit and as enforceable as the annals of Hamurabi so far as Puddle's wife is concerned. They simply do not have the authority to do that - why? because they are not parliament or a judiciary, for heaven's sake, they are a flaming great big blundering inept and inert administrative authority who only frighten the fertiliser out of the feeble of mind and the meek of soul. I say use Royal Mail to shove their letter right up their bloody noses with a written threat to them to either cut their cr@p or pay the costs of fighting them. Submission is never an option when responding to stupidity! ****CENSORED**** |
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24th Apr 2014 3:43pm |
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| Steveraspberry Member Since: 31 Oct 2013 Location: Sevenoaks Posts: 75
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Rockjaw,
I worked closely with the Driving Standards Agency and the DVLA in my capacity as an authorised instructor for over 14 years. The FACTS of the matter are these. Whether the original request is erroneous, ANY failure to comply with an official request from the DVLA can and often does result in the licence being revoked. End of story. This usually has the desired effect of getting people to respond to their request if it has previously gone unanswered or ignored. I stand by my advice. Comply with the request and THEN raise a query. That way everyone remains protected, insured and safe from prosecution should the worse happen. This is not only FACT but common sense. Protest by all means but ideals don't cut it when it comes to being found to be unlicensed and uninsured. It does not matter what the expiration date on the licence is. It can be revoked at any time. I understand your feelings and can allow for the "robust" response to my post. Please do not address me as if I were A) The enemy B) An idiot. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from addressing me as either. I do speak from experience and as the issuing body, the DVLA have every right to revoke any licence. To recap, it is better to have the conversation and get an explanation and even a refund whilst still licences than argue to toss afterwards. If Puddles wife was involved in an accident and found to be unlicensed and therefore uninsured, the repercussions could be huge and long lasting. There may well be a justifiable explanation for the DVLA request that is as yet, unknown. I maintain that it is better to be safe than sorry. Thank you, Best, Steve MY 90 King Cab 90 with well, loads of kit really. - SOLD
MY 02 D2 ES Black - The next project MY 14 D4 HSE Loire Blue - Mine MY 14 D4 HSE Corris Grey - Alis' MY 08 G4 D3 Genuine one of the 66. Gone but missed quite a bit Free Spirit Carbon Fibre wheelchair Large GSD called Abbs Small GSD called Bailey Last edited by Steveraspberry on 24th Apr 2014 4:08pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th Apr 2014 4:01pm |
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| RockJaw Member Since: 15 Oct 2013 Location: United States Posts: 317
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No Steve, I do not address you as "the enemy" nor as an idiot. Not sure I even addressed you personally at all. Mine was very much a general statement.
I do, however, stand by my stance that if an administrative authority screws up, and if you worked for them you will know screwing up is a specialty of theirs, well then I am going to shove a finger right up their nose. Like you I too have loads of experience with administrative "authorities", but unlike you my approach of refusing to allow myself to be intimidated by pompous and officious little oafs has brought me tonnes more success and satisfaction than I have seen from others who give in to them. ****CENSORED**** |
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24th Apr 2014 4:08pm |
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| Steveraspberry Member Since: 31 Oct 2013 Location: Sevenoaks Posts: 75
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Rockjaw,
I did not say I worked for them, I worked with them, there is a subtle difference. I am not intimidated by them and nor should Mrs Puddle be either. The approach of F*** You DVLA! though is nonsensical and not particularly smart to be honest. Deal with the administrative screw up by all means but protect yourself first surely? Communication is the key and it goes without saying that it goes both ways. State your case and state it from a position of strength but there is that old saying : " You catch more bees with honey than you do with sh*t" What if the request from the DVLA is ignored as you advise? Mrs P ( God forbid) has an accident and is then found AT THE TIME OF THE ACCIDENT to be unlicensed and uninsured, where does that leave her? Also, where does that leave any injured party? It would leave Mrs P in a very difficult position especially if it transpired that she had received a request from the DVLA and she had deliberately ignored it. That would not go down well with the courts. It would be irrelevant that she felt the DVLA were wrong, even if they were proved to be so at a later date. The fact would remain that she had had her licence revoked due to deliberate non compliance with the DVLA and that she had been in such a position AT THE TIME OF THE ACCIDENT. It really is that simple fella. Best, Steve MY 90 King Cab 90 with well, loads of kit really. - SOLD MY 02 D2 ES Black - The next project MY 14 D4 HSE Loire Blue - Mine MY 14 D4 HSE Corris Grey - Alis' MY 08 G4 D3 Genuine one of the 66. Gone but missed quite a bit Free Spirit Carbon Fibre wheelchair Large GSD called Abbs Small GSD called Bailey |
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24th Apr 2014 4:18pm |
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