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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453  
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At 10k it's still like new really, mine at just under 30k is just getting where it should be and is actually really nice to drive.
A full service was the transformation, when was its last? No Guts, No Glory. ๐ฌ๐ง๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ๐ฎ๐ช๐บ๐ธโฝ๏ธ๐ข๏ธโ๏ธ๐งฐ๐ช |
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28th Mar 2014 11:18am |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873 
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Mine seems to come alive at about 70mph in 6th and has no problem with normal motorway speeds. Just gets a bit noisy! The recent full service plus axle, gearbox and xfer box oil changes really made a big difference to mine too. I guess it's due to there being a lot of moving parts and losses in the transmission.
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28th Mar 2014 12:56pm |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2760
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Yeah in 6th gear mine is accelerating at it's quickest when it hits 80/82 just for the limiter to kick in (2.4 not 2.2). It shouldn't have any issues especially being a 6speed gearbox when the engine was used with many 5 speeds in the transit.
Certainly you can't go fast enough to cause a problem, if anything on a 2.2 with a DPF building up some exhaust pressure and getting the revs up does some good every so often. At 10k it's barely bedded in though, but keep an eye on an noises. Mine gets noisy (wind, tyres, engine) but no 'noises', just elevated background noise. Edit: I sit at 75-80 on motorways, and yours had a 10mph higher speed limiter so 85 shouldn't be an issue at all Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwardsโฆ Daily is a 110 V8. |
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28th Mar 2014 5:40pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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And all in the UK? I wasn't speeding officer...
 
On topic, straight through centre silencer and airbox mod can make a nice difference even without a tune. No Guts, No Glory. ๐ฌ๐ง๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ๐ฎ๐ช๐บ๐ธโฝ๏ธ๐ข๏ธโ๏ธ๐งฐ๐ช |
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28th Mar 2014 6:45pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
All is not well - either with your gear changing skills or the Defender's drivetrain. Your description paints a picture of mechanical torture. |
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28th Mar 2014 8:55pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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^^Agreed. You need to take time going through the gears, not force the changes and learn to use the clutch sensitively. They are trucks and not euroboxes that you can speed shift and dump the clutch
 Driveline issues are fairly common but firstly you need to make sure the transmission brake isn't binding, they have been known to come from the factory and through PDI poorly adjusted. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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30th Mar 2014 12:34pm |
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| Spookytooth Member Since: 19 Jan 2014 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 202 
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Thanks for the replies, I agree with Cuthbert, I need to get it checked out. Gear changes very smooth under normal progress through the box, however, drivetrain reacted badly to being forced through flat out 0-60. I never drive that way and only tried it out to see the response when pulling out of a service station, however, it should at least be able to do it smoothly without transmission shunt if required. Due it's first service so will get them to check it out. No problem with top speed (once again, do not drive that way) just those few seconds when being pushed flat out through the gear box from 1st to 6th. Transfer box was replaced at 4k so could be some residual issues
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30th Mar 2014 8:14pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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Are you easing off the gas as you change? If you keep accelerating whilst changing the transmission doesn't like it and you'll get some backlash and it isn't good. (My personal feeling)
Although your not double de clutching you need to try and hold the revs as you change and only once in gear accelerate. There is a slight slack in the driveline so it takes a momentary amount of time for this to be taken up. Defenders don't like quick changes or being accelerated hard through the gears. |
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30th Mar 2014 8:20pm |
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| Spookytooth Member Since: 19 Jan 2014 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 202
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Thanks Custom 90, that is exactly the point I was trying to understand. You indicate defenders do not like being thrashed through the gear box and I have recently discovered nor does mine. The point I was getting at is that it is quite sweet at normal to rapid progress through the box just falls apart when thrashed through a flat out 0-60 dash and I was simply wondering if others experienced the same. I know its not a euro box, I know we all drive with maximum mechanical empathy, I just wondered how others got on with the flat out 0-60 dash, if indeed any one has actually tried it as i know most owners never drive that way
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31st Mar 2014 8:42am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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You might find a service will make all the difference.
Ideally you want to very slightly ease off the revs if your accelerating whilst changing and then once fully in gear accelerate again. Repeat process over and over. I find that when climbing it's best to try and hold revs (,or very slightly lower) when going downhill and slowing down or stopping to keep easing off. In all honesty though try a service and I bet you'll notice the difference. They are more akin to HGV's in their build than the ordinary car to drive. There should IMO be much need too often yo go over 3k revs either unless you need too.  |
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31st Mar 2014 10:22am |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873
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Mine doesn't like to be rushed either, particularly in 1st to 3rd. I like to think I can change gear quite well (my other car is an Elise and I always heal-and-toe in that) but the Defender still makes the odd bang. Smoothest changes are at <2,500 rpm, easing off the throttle and then shifting slowly and re-engaging the clutch before the rev hold stops, using the rev hold to take up the driveline backlash then gently back on the throttle.
A full service did make a difference to mine. I was surprised by how much smoother everything became. My front propshaft was originally loose as well, which explained why even I struggled to do a really smooth gearchange. The torque drops off really quite quickly above 2,000 rpm too, so there is little benefit in revving the engine out. I've found you get better acceleration by changing up early and using the 1,750-2,250 rpm torque hump. |
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31st Mar 2014 10:45am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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1st s always a pain. I always pull off in 1st but coming to a stop I rarely downshift to it unless it's slowing to crawling trafic.
It's such a low gear you have to be very careful, but I personally don't believe in this pulling off in 2nd business. Puts extreme force on the clutch and transmission. It's there for a reason. Last edited by custom90 on 31st Mar 2014 3:35pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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31st Mar 2014 11:49am |
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| Spookytooth Member Since: 19 Jan 2014 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 202
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Thanks once again to everyone. I really have no problems with changing gear under all normal circumstances, I have had Landies right from the Series days and other interesting cars such as Morgan's so have got the hang of it over the last 40 years. My thread was simply to understand if other Defenders were smoother than mine on a flat out 0-60 dash not really asking if that was the right thing to do or how else to get from 0-60 although of course all help is good and one is never too old to learn
Most encouraging is the difference a number of you felt after a full service so may go straight for one of them and miss out what appears to be no more than an oil change at 12k miles Thanks once again for taking the time to get back |
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31st Mar 2014 2:35pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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The jist is IMO they all do it to a degree just some can be a little more than others.
Best of luck. |
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31st Mar 2014 3:36pm |
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