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| carrotbay Member Since: 18 Aug 2013 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 700   
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I was looking at Focal 100KRS for the front and Focal PC100 for the rears. Haven't bought them yet as they are a little costly, but someone on here was recommending them. Just fitted a Kenwood active sub on the back of the cubby box which has made a massive difference. 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X
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4th Feb 2014 11:08pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20466
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The standard speakers are woofer like which is the same as the aftermarket component by design but power very very different.
In other words the speakers front and rear are meant really to deal with mid and low freq and the tweeters high as standard on a Puma. The tweeters aren't too bad but the speakers are but replacing the lot is much much better. I didn't go for a component set myself as I think the general quality suffers from trying to achieve low frequencies from speakers that aren't that big which a sub is superior for. So I went high power tweets (non amplified as they are loud enough!) Coaxial speakers front and rear which have a good freq range from high-mid-low. Lows are pretty good for the size though but I went for these as they have a small tweeter built in too so keeps a good pitch and quality. Finally to complete the lacking bass of the system I fitted a sub too. Only upgrades I would consider now is soundproofing to increase the power and quality of what I already have by blocking mainly road and engine noise and perhaps bigger speakers but plenty of work or that. All of this is a balance of upgrading the whole system for a better sound, all of it needs to compliment each other so it sounds just right and the final tweaks can be done on a good quality HU's settings. Lows are no hood on their own as you'll have little quality and highs no good on their own without any oomph behind it. With a standard system I'd start with a sub, then speakers and finally tweeters. 6x9's are another option to add into the mix but they should really be Amped IMO as they draw a fair bit of power much like a sub, they are especially good for boosting mids and if they are high power and quality some lows too to compliment a sub. Hope this helps, Jim is best to advise you on Focal than me however. Feel free to drop me if you see fit.  No Guts, No Glory.
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4th Feb 2014 11:43pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769  
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I disagree with Steve. I was into car audio for many years when I was younger and had many different set ups and learned quite a lot in the process. I found coaxial speakers had very poor sound quality as the mid and low sounds overpowered the usually tiny tweeter that's sat right in front of them, so I would now NEVER buy coax speakers again. Also if you put larger amped speaker in the back the sound will be so jumbled with the sound from the front speakers that the quality will be poor at best (it will be louder though) The perfect set up if you are setting the system up for yourself and are not worried about others in the vehicle is 2/3 way components up front that are amped and a reasonable sized sub somewhere in the vehicle (placing for subs doesn't really matter as lower frequency sounds aren't directional) I'd recommended a 12 inch sub as you get the benefit of deeper bass sounds and punchy bass too, the sub should also be amped. It's quite easy to fit tweeters in an earlier than puma defender dash and you can fit bigger than the standard 10cm speakers in the lower dash with a bit of carefull cutting. Of course the big question is would we notice any difference in quality of different speakers when we are driving around in noisy, rattley, road tractors
 and there is also cost to think about as a good set of component can be quite expensive. I've had systems ranging from £50 right up to a few grand and at the moment in the defender (including sound deadening) I've probably only spent about £500 but I haven't added a sub and amp yet which should finish off the system enough for decent sound. |
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5th Feb 2014 9:38am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20466
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Forgive me it was quite late at night.
As you say though what ever you do the Defender is a difficult beast with its silly angled dash speakers and rumble of road noise and engine noise. To be honest I'd have though sound proofing would have been one of the best mods to start off with.  No Guts, No Glory.
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5th Feb 2014 12:26pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769
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That's pretty much where I've started. I've sound deadened and closed cell foamed while I have a cheap head unit and speakers and when all my other jobs are finished I'll be putting in better components and head unit and also adding a sub. I just have to sneak stuff in while the mrs isn't watching
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5th Feb 2014 5:58pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20466
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You'll suffer if she does find out.
I'm still yet to do the sound proofing with mine, I guess I'll get it done at some point. No Guts, No Glory.
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5th Feb 2014 6:18pm |
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| MR_JAMES Member Since: 10 Oct 2013 Location: ESSEX Posts: 248 
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ok thank you thats quite informative.. time to go shopping.
i've seen those little subs on ebay.. not quite sure on those because i also have got two ten inch subs in my austin mini which im not using now, they should do the trick if i can build a small enough box to put them in. |
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5th Feb 2014 6:30pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20466
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Those would be best only issue you might find is finding a suitable location to fit them.
If you don't use the back that much then that's easily the answer. No Guts, No Glory.
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5th Feb 2014 7:26pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769
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If you are making your own sub boxes, try and get the internal volume of the box as close to manufacturers recommendations as possible. I find a sealed box has a better sound quality and punch but a ported box is louder, although a ported box is a lot harder to get exactly right with internal volume and port length etc.
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5th Feb 2014 8:01pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20466
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I have just the answer for that: http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/box_wizard.asp
Quite accurate too I just tested on my own proven box dimensions. Cubic ft is my preferred measurement than litres but both do the same thing. No Guts, No Glory. 🇬🇧ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ðŸ‡®ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡ºðŸ‡¸â›½ï¸ðŸ›¢ï¸âš™ï¸ðŸ§°ðŸ’ª |
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5th Feb 2014 8:28pm |
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