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| Mud Dog Member Since: 11 Jul 2013 Location: Kent Posts: 31  
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Hi Brendan,
Thanks for the response. I've just bought a 90 hardtop with a new back door that has no mounting bits and zero holes. It looks like the options suggested would necessitate some drilling in the middle of the door. I'm really hoping that either I'm wrong or that there's another option! Matt We're not stuck...just enjoying the scenery! |
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29th Dec 2013 9:04am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Hi Matt, am slightly confused here. Is your rear door non genuine one? I would have assumed all genuine ones were predrilled for the standard wheel carrier which mounts on the rear door.
Both the Nakatanenga and the Safari Equip ones use a pair of the existing bolts in the rear door, so does not require drilling of the rear door. The Nakatanenga one just picks up on the cross member holes whereas the Safari Equip one requires two of the holes enlarging slightly IIRC. The other options might be a Sonic/Alisport one if you can locate one. The other alternative might be an Australian Kaymar ones but expect prices to be £700+ for both of those makes. Brendan |
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29th Dec 2013 9:25am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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Kaymar would be an option. Australian, expensive, but the highest possible quality. No drilling in the rear panels at all, it gets fixed into existing holes of the rear crossmember and chassis. Many don't like the fact that opening the rear door becomes a two stage approach, but the flip side of that is that you have perfect access to clean the rear side, and to replace the rear windshield wiper.... I have a Kaymar installed for many years now, still very happy with it.
Below a few pictures Eric Kaymar in closed position. you can see detail of the SS pin which you use to keep it in open locking position.  Click image to enlarge Kaymar general view. showing the locking mechanism on the left side which again bolted straight into crossmember/chassis. Click image to enlarge This picture shows that the Kaymar leaves the spare wheel in exactly the same height position as standard. Click image to enlarge Kaymar in open locked position. The steel plate to cover up the standard wheel carrier holes comes with the Kaymar and fits into the existing holes, but as you have an undrilled door, you wouldn't need that. Click image to enlarge And last but not least, my engineering solution to lock the rear door in the open position. 
Click image to enlarge You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw Last edited by ericvv on 29th Dec 2013 10:25am. Edited 1 time in total |
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29th Dec 2013 9:27am |
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| Charliefox Member Since: 03 Oct 2013 Location: County Durham Posts: 56 
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I spoke to Allisport before the holidays regarding their wheel carrier. They were in the process of manufacturing a new batch for the New Year.
The price they quoted was £840 plus VAT & delivery. Chris |
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29th Dec 2013 9:31am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 
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No doubt you 'get what you pay for' but in mitigation for the sake of drilling 6 holes you can save yourself ballpark £450 and have a single open functioning door and swing away? The Kaymar and Allisport are undoubtedtly great products but 'knock me down with a feather' they're twice the friggin' price. If you're prepared to wait and strike quickly they do very occasionally come up for sale and you may bag yourself a bargain perhaps? I did and was very lucky.
I have a single pivot Safari Equip one that obviously would involve drilling. The simplicity and quality of the product in my view offsets the drilling aspect of fitting. The plate that fits to the rear door is also of very high quality and if the holes are drilled carefully with a decent drill, cobalt bit and a steady hand and treated/sealed adequately you would have no further issues and negate the requirement for a bungee. Mind you 'never we a faint-heart' I did drill 28 holes in my bonnet to fit my chequerplate. Rear plate. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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29th Dec 2013 9:36am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Am struggling with slow wifi as we are overseas. I believe that Outback import in France are the Kaymar importers into Europe. Unfortunately am struggling with slowness of web here.
Devon 4x4 sells the Kaymar one at £1,077 I believe but check their website. Alisport at £840 + VAT would be in excess of £1,000. Both the Nakatanenga and Safari Equip ones use just 2 of the 6 bolts in the standard rear door. Rasta of Israel does a single pivot one for Discos at about £1200, I believe they do a version for Defenders but it is difficult for me to get details at the moment I do understand that there is a new model in the offering but at this moment in time I have no real details. So choices and approx price brackets are as follows: Safari Equip or Mantec standard ones, involves drilling and are around the £200 mark. Safari Equip have more options. Opens with rear door Nakatanenga, uses two bolt holes on normal rear door, no drilling normally cost £425. Opens with rear door. Safari Equip, uses two bolt holes on normal rear door, enlarge two holes in rear cross member, costs £425. Opens with rear door. Alisport and Kaymar, no drilling. Cost £1,000+. Note does not open with rear door, might cause issues if you have passenger in rear part of Defender £575-800 buys a lot of labour time to fit one of the alternatives to Alisport/Kaymar or other goodies. Brendan |
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29th Dec 2013 10:45am |
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| Mud Dog Member Since: 11 Jul 2013 Location: Kent Posts: 31
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Thanks very much guys. Whilst I don't have the steadiest hands, I'm sure I can get a mate to do the drilling and you're right K9F, the price doesn't necessarily mean the other products are of lesser quality. Many thanks Brendan as well!
Matt We're not stuck...just enjoying the scenery! |
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29th Dec 2013 4:25pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6772  
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A little off topic with a question for k9f. I've read somewhere that the safari equipe single pivot has adjustable height for the spare wheel and wondered if yours was in the higher or lower position? Also is rear visibility as bad as it looks from your pics?
Cheers Ray |
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29th Dec 2013 4:51pm |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610
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Due to the fact I have a rear tint/Landyglass I could never see out of the rear anyway, especially at night, all you see in the rear view mirror is in fact what's in front of you. Mine is on the higher setting but I do have big boots as well on the rims. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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29th Dec 2013 5:14pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6772
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That's great thanks
do you know roughly the difference in height between the settings? Or how much lower the lowest setting is than yours? Just so I can get a rough idea before deciding between a safari equipe and nakatenenga.
Cheers Ray |
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29th Dec 2013 5:53pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
I have to say that after 3 years of ownership that the nakatanenga wheel carrier that Peter supplies is bombproof. It bolts directly onto the chassis and all weight is removed from the back door, suffice to say the chassis will give up before the wheel carrier is IMHO saying something to the thought and design of the nakatananga wheel carrier. I have had on mine 305's, 265's and 235's and have never once worried about the the adverse affects of driving over rough ground on the wheel carrier. I am a firm believer in promoting products when they do what it says on the tin and the nakatanenga carrier ticks all the boxes,
235's Click image to enlarge 305's Click image to enlarge HTH :thumbsup: Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  |
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29th Dec 2013 9:12pm |
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| Kitoper Member Since: 07 Dec 2012 Location: Geneva Posts: 204
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Lorryman - I cannot agree with you more and happy to see that over time it stands up. My Nakatanenga when'll carrier is less than a year old, but it is well conceived, relatively easy to install, required no drilling and takes all tyre weight off the rear door.
I have a couple of pics on the following thread of the installation. http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic19961-60.html |
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29th Dec 2013 9:22pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17544 
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Good choice! I've had mine for 3+ years now and have been extremely pleased with it. |
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29th Dec 2013 9:42pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
The only thing over standard that I have done is paint the arm guide rail black, and touch up the bearing cover screw cap as I use it as a foot stand when washing the roof.
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29th Dec 2013 9:45pm |
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