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| ellebarto Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Manchester Posts: 334   
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I agree with your final comment. Well said!
Have you really read the YouTube description and not just the forum one which I have held my hands up to and said might be poorly judged!? Check out my YouTube channel for green laning and Land Rover "how to" videos. |
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16th Dec 2013 11:03am |
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| ellebarto Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Manchester Posts: 334
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lol fair enough. I respect your opinion. As I said, a jaded opinion perhaps based on a day of poor respect from other lane users! Check out my YouTube channel for green laning and Land Rover "how to" videos. |
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16th Dec 2013 11:04am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20347
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The main and only real issue I see in that issue is the lack of width yo the lane.
Ideally either party needs to to go back to the widest section available. The LR's then completely stop and the horses proceed, especially with the puddles around. If it was much wider there should have been no reason as to why both out don't pass slowly and carefully. I used to ride too a few years ago and never had any issues but I gave it up mainly due to in this area. Eying some female dominated but even more so because you hear of the dangers that are involved and the physical possibly disabling accidents that can happen. Horses are animals and can be unpredictable when frightened, animals and machines are best kept apart but in this world that isn't possible so everyone has to try and get along. Following the GLASS code for green laneing you should never gave an issue. One must remember horses can canter and gallop at speed too not just vehicles speed. So it's not one rule for one and another for another, comon sense should prevail! $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R 🇬🇧ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ðŸ‡®ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡ºðŸ‡¸â›½ï¸ðŸ›¢ï¸âš™ï¸ðŸ§°ðŸ’ª |
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16th Dec 2013 11:36am |
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| ellebarto Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Manchester Posts: 334
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Not being a horsey person it's interesting that a horse rider appears to have commented on the video on YouTube Check out my YouTube channel for green laning and Land Rover "how to" videos.
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16th Dec 2013 12:35pm |
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| tatra805 Member Since: 16 Aug 2011 Location: Dolany Posts: 436  
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Hmm,…
 right then.. 
Being an owner of 2 of the most rewarding offroad toys, being a defender and a couple of horses, I see this thread being a mixup of politics and (totally logical) shortcomings in understanding the other parties experience. Take out the whole greenlining problematics and politics from this topic. You end up with a 4x4 driver and a horse rider looking at the same spot/situation from a different perspective. There is no need to be disrepectfull from any side, just adapt to the situation and go on. But yes I have hit numerous car roofs with my riding bitch as they felt it necessary to overtake us (from the back) while not leaving space. I can say that it is impossible judging a live animal when not riding it, let alone when not being a horserider at all, siting in a 4x4. From the video I cannot see a problem with the horses. People think you switch them off as... a car, while this horse can be excited (eg from an earlier gallop) or just sporty and laden with adrenaline or frightened, which makes it a useless and provocative move to make it “stand still”. We train young horses (fresh, non broken in, whatever you want to call it) only in the outdoors, less things to go wrong if it goes wrong and more place to correct. (seen too many running through fences and jumping through bar-windows in riding halls  )
With these youngsters it is virtually impossible to hold them, stopping and restraining them will only make them stand up and eventually flipping over with you on their back or making other dangerous moves. KEEP MOVING AT ALL TIMES, a moving horse can be corrected direction wise. In car terms, you cannot turn a standing car, it has to move for that. We meet a million obstacles, of which tractors, cars, bicycles and flying plastic backs as part of the scary things. My experience is that a steady slowly moving object is better than a standing one. Think with the brain of a flight animal. Something approaches you and when it sees you keeps still, is it a defender or a puma?? Approaching standing cars is “fascinating” and tense but the sound of a wiperblade can trigger a flight reaction. Its as you approaching a roadkill by foot not sure if it is dead and when you are a meter away it flies up… If you pass each other at a slow steady pace both continue their path without drama and if something would trigger a flight the horse is more likely to flight forwards, in the direction it is travelling. Once you both have halted, as in the video, the rider has to ask the horse (if inexperienced) to go frontal towards the danger. When you start driving towards the standing horse, it is as if the danger is coming forwards. The horse can choose to go back (into the known) or move forward towards the danger into the unknown. It will choose the first if in doubt. Maybe the above helps a bit understanding the opponent but if you are really interested in avoiding conflict stop at your local stable and go talk with some owners while sharing a beer. It will make you understand them and opposite. Now for a funny part We once head into a group of cyclist, the horses noticed them from far in their fluo-outfits. Lead horse goes ahead signing them to keep their side of the road (he goes a bit more to the center of the road) and shouting “be aware young horses in training! “ The cyclists come down to us at full speed (group testosteron and all that, they are on a training schedule you know) All goes well till one cyclist decides to overtake another one while passing the horses. One horse panicks and kicks to cyclist. Cyclist gets off bycicle and starts shouting to us that we should stay home if we can’t control our horses! Tail horse with a 16 year old “tough boy” on it passes cyclist and shouts: “If you were able to control your wife at home you would’t need to go ride your stupid bicycle in woman pants on saterday mornings!”  |
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16th Dec 2013 2:11pm |
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| ellebarto Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Manchester Posts: 334
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That is interesting and in the interest of learning more so I can make a 'better how to video' next time, I've had two contrary opinions now on approaching horses in future!
I have to say the majority of people have said I should have stopped and switched my engine off. I'm not a horsey person at all but what you say makes sense although my first instinct with a horse is to assume it may be fretful and keep my sound and speed constant, which the video shows I hope. I think in this case what would have been nice is for the lady to just shout out 'cheers for that guys' and then it wouldn't have even stuck in my mind! I can honestly say I was waving and smiling as we passed. Check out my YouTube channel for green laning and Land Rover "how to" videos. |
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16th Dec 2013 2:20pm |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443  
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The stop the engine idea can also have it's place when looking at the encounter through the eyes of a flight animal, the dangerous(puma, cougar) has stopped and become passive therefore less of a danger and perhaps turned into something the horses see at their yard that brings their owners to see to them ie vehicles parked up that don't present too much danger.
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16th Dec 2013 2:27pm |
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| tatra805 Member Since: 16 Aug 2011 Location: Dolany Posts: 436
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Ok, been watching the video again.
Translating into horse-language, according to my opinion. Lead horse sees big red growling thing appearing. Starts doubting and turns back to the known, also searching confidence with the other horse. Red thing stops. (remember a horse has 180 panorama – view, so it keeps having an eye on you and as it first weapon of defense is flight, and kicking back legs it is absolutely normal it shows you its backside) Rider keeps control and turns horse around. This is for the horse giving conficence to the rider, it has to turn into the danger exposing its vulnerable defendsless belly. (the attack point for predators) Red danger crawls closer (you start driving), the cat sneeks closer… Horse nervous of your move, see front legs once you start driving. Second rider takes the correct action, it goes in front of the lead horse, shielding it and also giving it a complete confidence boost. (they are group animals following each other) Red danger comes closer and stops again, while still growling. Horses pass danger without effect. Smarter horse as result. All get good points in this case with a minor remark for the car drivers: It was clear from the start the lead horse had “a problem”. In this particular case it might have been indeed better to switch off the engines.(so i stand corrected) As it now ended it was even a bigger test and learning school for the horse, and this is positive. But it could have ended worse. So in case both horses were still trotting along I would have kept going (steady and slow). As horse rider of the first horse I would have driven the horse more and not have halted once the horse was facing the car again. (and then a big hugh after passing the cars) Note: but horses are incredible sensible to their drivers so maybe the doubt of the horse was only induced by the doubt of the driver. This is very common and can also explain why the lady was not all that friendly, apparently.  |
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16th Dec 2013 2:44pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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Some excellent advice and insight here
[Says yet another multiple horse owner who no longer rides but drives some quite substantial animals weighing in at upwards of a ton a piece  ] Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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16th Dec 2013 8:53pm |
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| tatra805 Member Since: 16 Aug 2011 Location: Dolany Posts: 436
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Hi Miserableolgit,
taking it off topic Driving mine (Irish Cobs) also, pair and single, 4wheel. (reason for them is lack of regular time due to work, i don't fancy having ticking bomb sport horses waiting for me to finally be able to work them out. Now i have loyal (hard headed) fat belly taxi's always ready to go or (preferably) not) Well, we don't have to open the can of worms of non awareness in current traffic I guess... and be grateful our heavies (well mine are quite light compared to yours  ) have the understanding and temper to ignore most of the chaos out there
What exactly are yours?  |
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16th Dec 2013 9:11pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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Suffolk Punch
Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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16th Dec 2013 9:44pm |
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| couplands Member Since: 31 Aug 2011 Location: Peak District & Cornwall Posts: 1826 
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...they make great lawn mowers...
cheers simon |
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16th Dec 2013 9:52pm |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
Sorry O/T.
Why int there a "show us yer horsy" thread,seems quite a few peeps have em?? Had a short period of riding horses and defo should by tried by everyone,absolute fantastic experience,I was lucky enough to have a proper gallop through a park 2nd time I'd been onna horse,more expensive to own the any Landy and even more temperamental,lol. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5. |
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16th Dec 2013 10:56pm |
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| ellebarto Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Manchester Posts: 334
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My eldest had a lesson or two for her birthday and is interested in perhaps having a horse. Are they expensive to keep? I mean do you need insurance to ride them? Do you have to pass any kind of test or exam to show your safe or proficient?
I guess any decent riding school would advise on all that stuff. I think they only have to go a few hundred yards near us from some stables to where they do some kind woodland trail Check out my YouTube channel for green laning and Land Rover "how to" videos. |
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16th Dec 2013 11:13pm |
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