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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2760  
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Good points, well made!
There've been times where I've seen a smaller car coming around a country lane from over a hedge and have possibly avoided an accident by taking preventative accident. As you say, there's no need to corner or accelerate fast, and we generally drive slower than other vehicles I reckon Whatever car you're in your safety is down to luck in any accident really, you hear of people walking away from 60/70+ mph crashes or unfortunately not doing so at 20 Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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9th Dec 2013 11:58pm |
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| borderterrier Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1677 
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10th Dec 2013 1:13am |
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| Kraut Member Since: 28 Dec 2011 Location: Westphalia Posts: 336  
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I think the main pproblem with the Defender security is the non-existing electronic stability program like modern cars have, it tends to overturn in combination with it's very weak roof and pillars. Therfore a cage should be standard pimp to all Defenders, just have a look at the Defender-overturns here, very very scary:
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic18096.html |
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10th Dec 2013 7:42am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150 
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How do you all cope with lorries then? NO airbags, NO roll cage...and that's brand new vehicles. Ours have ABS and that is it! I am surprised at how little they do have by way of safety features. As I see it the Defender is not nor ever has been a car, which is why it never gained all the electro-gubbins found in your average Nissan Micra. I guess the same applies to HGVs.
As I see it in some circumstances a Defender will out-perform most things on the road, in others it will do poorly. Vise-versa for being in an ordinary car. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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10th Dec 2013 11:40am |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
From a safety point of view,the only thing you worry about hitting when driving an hgv is another hgv or a bridge support,at which point airbags and roll cage have limited protection.
All things being equal,if you insist on driving into either of the above you want to be in a eurobox not a Defender. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5. |
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10th Dec 2013 12:15pm |
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| Nidge Member Since: 27 Jan 2008 Location: Kildare Ireland Posts: 818  
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On the back of this thread got me thinking.....
I drive a 110 pick-up and the back of my head is very close to the Metal Rim that connects the roof to the rear of the cab... wouldn't stand a chance in a high impact accident. Another reason to convert it to a soft Top with roll cage. Stay safe N. |
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10th Dec 2013 1:00pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17430 
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Aha, that's because the great majority of HGVs are driven by people who are better trained and drive to a higher standard than the vast majority of car drivers. The best way to survive an accident is to avoid it. The reason why HGVs are generally safe, and I suspect Defenders, is that they are actually involved in few accidents. This is a different issue to the question of survivability if an accident happens. If every driver drove well, with good anticipation and a sense of responsibility, the wouldn't be a problem because accidents would be few and far between. As it is, we let idiots drive, and pay the price. Only the metal spike will ever change this now - at least until rising fuel prices and the green agenda drives all traffic off the roads. |
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10th Dec 2013 1:07pm |
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| borderterrier Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1677
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Really - which roads do you frequent? There are good and bad HGV drivers in the same way as there are good and bad car drivers. I have acquired all my licences throughout my career and the one which has made me drive better is my motorbike licence. I read the road way in advance and carry that across to my car driving.
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10th Dec 2013 1:12pm |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2661 
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If people drove defensively rather than a balls out approach a lot of accidents wouldn't happen. If you drive with the thought that the car was gong to pull out of the side road, or the car was going to exit the roundabout at this exit rather than go on your merry way in complete indifference to other road users you'll do better.
When driving Defenders I always assume the worst. That way I am usually prepared for most eventualitys. When driving the little eurobox we have I don't drive so defensively, I know it can be nippy when it needs to be and can stop when I want it to. it all comes down to how you drive and how you interpret the road ahead. I for 1 am happy driving a Defender when I need to, I understand it's limitations and drive accordingly. 110 D250 SE HT 110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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10th Dec 2013 1:14pm |
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| GUM97 Member Since: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3555 
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There will always be good and bad drivers, regardless of vehicle. It's very often the driver that makes a vehicle "dangerous" as such. An engine to TDi for!
"Land Rover- Proudly turning drivers into mechanics since 1948"  |
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10th Dec 2013 1:17pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17430
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I agree, and there are exceptions to every rule. There are far more inept HGV drivers now than a few years ago, and I believe that one of the reasons for introducing the Driver CPC was an attempt to stem the flow of hopelessly incompetent European drivers whom we cannot under EU law legislate off the roads. In general, though I still reckon that the percentage of inept car drivers out of the total population of car drivers is far higher than that for HGVs. I also agree entirely about the motorbike license. One of the reasons why motorcyclists on the whole ride very well is that if they have an accident, they generally die or at least suffer very badly , irrespective of whose fault the accident is. Therefore defensive anticipatory driving is the sign of an experienced rider. The theory behind the sharp metal spike, although clearly a ridiculous suggestion, is that if it was made almost impossible for the driver to survive even a minor accident, then the driver will probably drive in a way which minimises the liklihood of an accident. |
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10th Dec 2013 1:22pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4695
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I have previously posted here about how I was sitting in the 110 with my daughter outside school when a mother reversed into the stationary Defender.I changed the number plate - she changed the car. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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10th Dec 2013 6:22pm |
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| Cakey Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: Cheshire Posts: 468 
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I had the pleasure of some extra tuition care of saving 3 points
45 in a 40 downhill Approx 15 in for the hazard perception test. Interesting that 2 of us in the room Correctly picked out all hazards, instructor said bet you ride motorbikes . He said most car only drivers couldn't spot a hazard until they run over it |
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10th Dec 2013 10:19pm |
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| a13x Member Since: 25 Sep 2011 Location: Burton on Trent Posts: 553
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^^
Probably the best bit of tuition ever done. Doing my cbt at 16 taught me more about awareness than any car driving lesson. Further improved with my bike license and advanced training. |
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10th Dec 2013 10:32pm |
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