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| alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513   
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Nope. would you?
It looks terrible, it's based on SIII technology and it doesn't have the same level of after market services as a Defender. Apart from the engine headline figures (can't vouch for it's offroad credentials or reliability or serviceability) I can't think of a single thing about it that is better than a Defender. Wait - hang on... ... nope. Nothing. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS + New Defender 110 First Edition |
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24th Mar 2010 11:26pm |
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| ibexman Member Since: 13 Dec 2008 Location: Essex Posts: 2945
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Are you on drugs
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25th Mar 2010 12:00am |
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| eutek Member Since: 03 Mar 2009 Location: High Wycombe Posts: 586 
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I drove a new (at the time) Iveco van when we moved our household stuff over from Dublin to London. I was quite impressed with the motor (3.? diesel), it was punchy, responsive and had loads of power.
That being said... the Massif is ugly. Maybe if it didn't have those awful lights/grill I'd perhaps consider it, but mamma mia what an ugly truck. |
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25th Mar 2010 8:28am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic1306.html?highlight=iveco
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic2367.html?highlight=iveco 130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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25th Mar 2010 8:40am |
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| marks Member Since: 18 May 2009 Location: Wrexham Posts: 8 
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Just wonder if they could possibly be less reliable than a Land Rover, I think I might consider, having not had the use of my Puma since 8th Feb and still no sign of it (thanks! James Edwards)
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25th Mar 2010 10:01am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 
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What a 'throw away' comment, unwelcome and unwarranted without explanation! I'll do it for you....I believe your woes were attributed to water being in the fuel and from limited detail of posting Land Rover (James Edwards) not accepting liability. Why should they? Surely the place you filled up at are at fault for supplying you dodgy fuel. Apart from a corrosion issue that you had back in October (which one assumes was sorted) the issues you have now are down to you putting dodgy fuel in your vehicle. If the modification to the breather had indeed been done as the dealers imply the petrol station has liability. Assumption I know but without more detail in your posts or conclusions to your problems being posted what can one think? Trade it in for an Iveco but make sure it's sorted first as you'll not get 'top dollar!' Would not trade mine in for an Iveco. I Love my Defender, no problems whatsoever. Happy days.  If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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25th Mar 2010 10:17am |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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Before bought my defender I tried for 3 days the Massif...................
I bought the Defender!!!!! My Iveco light truck (same engine and gerabox of Massif) i two Years: 3 turbos 2 gearboxes 1 engine 6 (yes six) EGR valve 3 High pressure fuel pump 2 Vacuum servo 1 Instrument cluster and.... - brakes still blocked (3 Iveco investigations w/o results) - Gearbox absolutely not hard, more than hard when changing from 1st to 2nd and from 2nd to 3rd - when empty +/- 5 - 6 km/l, when fully charged ........................... - Electrical circuits: always problem - ............ Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition 
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25th Mar 2010 11:25am |
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| BigWheels Member Since: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 1405 
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Thanks for your opinions guys.
I've just today got the May iss of LROI & read about what the new 2014 "Project Icon" Defender might be made like/with. To me, its incentive to think/keep/buy retro. Or Massif. Or Wrangler. And how much will the new much-less-moddable Defender cost for businesses in the competitive modern multi-manufacturer marketplace? Although the ladder chassis traditional Defender will be made overseas for developing countries (India?), I can see current models well kept/maintained as increasing in long-term value. Especially 90s since the article says shortest w/base is likely to be 100 inches. |
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25th Mar 2010 12:27pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2414  
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QED. quite similar to a Defender then Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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25th Mar 2010 12:32pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638  
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I think it looks good  |
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25th Mar 2010 1:21pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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No!!!! never change the instrument cluster on mine........ Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
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25th Mar 2010 1:26pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2414
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Puma 110" SW
............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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25th Mar 2010 1:28pm |
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| alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513
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Eh? I assume you're joking. What happens when you let a blind work experience student loose with the crayons...
Ice cream van meets caravan meets the worst parts of a G-wagon and Japanese Jeeps. I can't find the emoticon for being sick but I'm now picking the chunks out of my keyboard. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS + New Defender 110 First Edition |
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25th Mar 2010 2:34pm |
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| marks Member Since: 18 May 2009 Location: Wrexham Posts: 8
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"What a 'throw away' comment, unwelcome and unwarranted without explanation! I'll do it for you....I believe your woes were attributed to water being in the fuel and from limited detail of posting Land Rover (James Edwards) not accepting liability. Why should they? Surely the place you filled up at are at fault for supplying you dodgy fuel. Apart from a corrosion issue that you had back in October (which one assumes was sorted) the issues you have now are down to you putting dodgy fuel in your vehicle. If the modification to the breather had indeed been done as the dealers imply the petrol station has liability.
Assumption I know but without more detail in your posts or conclusions to your problems being posted what can one think? Trade it in for an Iveco but make sure it's sorted first as you'll not get 'top dollar!' Would not trade mine in for an Iveco. I Love my Defender, no problems whatsoever. Happy days. Thumbs Up" _________________ Why I am not happy with James Edwards Chester. Corrosion not sorted, partial repairs (rear quarter panels and one front wing) have been done but the repair is so obvious especially the line of rivets where it should have been spot welded. The corrosion in n/s front wing dismissed as must be a stone chip, even though I had to remove protective vinyal for them to see it. Land Rover customer services confirmed that mine hadn't had the modification done before it went in to JE so I mentioned this to the service receptionist who immediately replied "yours has been modified already", I think she might have checked first. If water has got in from contaminated fuel then OK thats my problem but i think they were too quick of the mark in dismissing the possibility that it could have been as a result of the fuel breather position. Same faults keep reoccurring clutch (x3) but now they want me to pay to investigate the same fault. Droning rear diff replaced twice and still noisy. Prop vibration, it must be your tyres even though they are new. I have lost track of the number of parts replaced. Too many problems and I have now been left without even a courtesy car to use whist they stiil have mine. Not my idea of good customer service. |
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25th Mar 2010 2:57pm |
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