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Lewisgregory8



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2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Fuji White
Jerry can holder
Has anyone ever seen or made anything like this for a defender?

I like the idea of carrying a jerry can on the wheel


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LandRoverAnorak



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There used to be a company that made a sort of multi-purpose adapter for the spare wheel along with a range of accessories that could be bolted to it. The adapter was a bit like those used for some bike carriers.

Can't remember the name of the company though. I keep thinking of Hitchlugger but it's not on their website Confused Darren

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Post #274783 18th Oct 2013 11:58am
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leeds



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Would you like to be rear ended with a fuel jerry can mounted on back of your vehicle?

I believe it is illegal to carry a fuel can on the back door but am not sure under what legislation.


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Go Beyond



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If it is illegal it must be an 'age related' thing because I've never had any issues with my WW2 Willys.
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Lewisgregory8



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I dont want to store it on the inside and i don't want to put a roof rack on to store items. So i thought this would be a good idea....
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Go Beyond



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Lewisgregory8



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i like that but it looks expensive!

But i do think im going to buy this

http://4x4overlander.com/exterior-products...rrier.html

Make my own work light mount too
Post #274793 18th Oct 2013 12:25pm
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LandRoverAnorak



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'Fuel' on its' own is a misleading term. There are very few laws around carrying diesel, whilst petrol is very highly regulated.

Given that diesel doesn't burn like petrol (or hardly at all, really) then it doesn't really pose a risk from a rear end collision, particularly if you consider how high up it would be on the spare wheel. Like everything though, it's probably worth running it past your insurers. Darren

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Post #274796 18th Oct 2013 12:31pm
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blackwolf



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Legally diesel is "oil" and there are few legal restrictions on its transport and storage. You can store/carry it in any type and size of container, and can transport up to 1000 litres without a licence.

Petrol falls within the scope of several different Petroleum Spirit regulations which restrict (severely) the size, type and markings of containers, the number of containers, and the places where you can store or transport the spirit.

If you put a jerrycan of petrol on your spare wheel. you will be in deep trouble very quickly! There is no reason why you shouldn't put a jerrycan of diesel here though, although I don't expect it would stay there long in this day and age.
Post #274804 18th Oct 2013 1:05pm
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Go Beyond



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In trouble with whom ?



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blackwolf



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Not legal to use the jerrycan on a Jeep for fuel now.
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Go Beyond



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Really Shocked

Can you point me to the legislation please as nothing was said at it's recent MOT and I've never been stopped.
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LandRoverAnorak



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I doubt that it's Jeep specific, but there is a rule about the maximum size of containers for storing petrol being 10 litres (well, two gallons actually). It's clause 7. of the Petroluem Spirit (Motor Vehicles, etc) Regulations 1929. Yes, that really does say 1929!

Here's a link:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksro/1929/9...952_en.pdf

This may also be of interest, taken from the HSE website LINK:

Quote:
How many containers can I fill at a petrol station?

Petrol filling stations may have their own internal policy on the types and numbers of containers they are prepared to fill - frequently one or two 5 litre plastic and/or one or two 10 litre metal. This is a decision made by the filling station operator and is not a legal requirement.

Petrol filling stations usually have to abide by a licence condition to allow only 'suitable' containers to be filled. This is usually interpreted as metal containers up to a maximum size of 23 litres or plastic containers up to a maximum size of 5 litres. A licence condition has the same effect as a legal requirement. The licence condition does not limit how many containers one customer may fill.
 Darren

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blackwolf



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It is actually a bit of a grey area and until such time as some precedent is established some of the interpretation is unclear.

The Petroleum Spirit (Motor Vehicles etc.) Regulations 1929 and The Petroleum Spirit (Plastic Containers) Regulations 1982 are the relevant regs as far as private use is concerned. (In a commercial environment The Carriage of Dangerous Goods and use of Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations 2004 ("CDG Regulations") subsequently amended in 2005 and 2009 also apply, but are not relevant in this instance, presuming that your Jeep is used only privately).

These regulations limit the amount of petrol which can be kept in a domestic garage or within 6 metres of a building, the limit being two metal containers not exceeding 10 litres each or two plastic containers of an approved design not exceeding 5 litres each. These restrictions also apply to containers kept in a vehicle in a garage or within 6 metres of any building but not to fuel in the vehicle's integral fuel tank.

The restriction applies to the storage of petroleum spirit and not the transportion of petroleum spirit, so technically an offence is only committed if your Jeep is parked in a domestic garage or within 6 metres of a building. It seems on balance that you might receive unwanted attention from plod if stopped, but it is doubtful that without established case law precedent to define "storage" as opposed to "transport" you would be unlikely to be prosecuted.

A bigger problem now is probably finding a filling station that doesn't throw a wobbly when you try to fill a jerrycan. The local ones round here go mental when I fill one with Diesel, which isn't subject to these restrictions at all anyway, let alone petrol! It may also well be the case that the filling station's licence places extra restrictions on the type of containers (quite legal and commonplace) and the filling station can decline anyone's business if they so choose.

So my earlier statement "Not legal to use the jerrycan on a Jeep for fuel now." is probably an over-simplification; better might be that it is nowadays ill-advised to have the jerrycan full. Irrespective of this, the can must, I believe, be appropriately marked.

Military vehicles operating under Crown Exemption do not need to comply, although you will find that all military containers are now marked in accordance with the EU regs enacted by the CDG Regs mentioned above.
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Lewisgregory8



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I think i will just stick the extra fuel tank on in the wheel arch... Problem sorted Cool
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