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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015   
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Land Rover use NM, where most aftermarket companies use lb Ft,
360NM is about 265lb-Ft. Glyn |
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8th Mar 2010 4:18pm |
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| BigGeorge Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Zurich Posts: 43  
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thanks for the clarification / calculation into lb ft.
the graphs seen stated NM. Cheers George The goons are trying to bring me down! Defender 110 SW MY10 useless piece of  ... but I like her
Defender 90 V8 50th Anniversary Series IIa 109 / 6 cyl. ex-fire truck |
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8th Mar 2010 4:32pm |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610  
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Not 100%sure what it is you're after but here are some more figures for you to look at:-
LAND ROVER DEFENDER 2.4 DIESEL 2007 ONWARDS Power:- Standard Max Power 119 BHP AUTOLOGICŪ Max Power 149 BHP Torque:- Standard Max Torque 314Nm AUTOLOGICŪ Max Torque 393Nm More graphs here:- http://www.james-french.co.uk/power-upgrades.asp Hope this helps!  If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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8th Mar 2010 4:39pm |
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| BigGeorge Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Zurich Posts: 43
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bingo... that's the stuff, but not from companies advertising for their products, but more from drivers actually buying that stuff and having the performance measured pre and post tuning.
George The goons are trying to bring me down! Defender 110 SW MY10 useless piece of ... but I like her
Defender 90 V8 50th Anniversary Series IIa 109 / 6 cyl. ex-fire truck |
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8th Mar 2010 4:52pm |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610
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BigGeorge,
That's what I had done and it is excellent! All facts and figures were laid out before you and I had a detailed discussion with the Workshop Manager beforehand who answered all my queries. A lot of people offering tuning services can be a little 'vague' when it comes to post installation performance figures! People, myself included, want to know in priority how much extra torque they're getting and how many extra horses underneath their bonnet they get for their hard-earned money! If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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8th Mar 2010 5:12pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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How are people measuring them?
Unfortunatly 'Rolling Road', and 'power meters' are hugely innacurate when it comes to flywheel readings, they measure at the wheel and then makes a calculation to work out the engine power. As you can guess, without knowing the exact power loss through the drivetrain you can't calculate the power at the flywheel. The only way to do it properly would be to have the engine on a Dyno bench which is what would have been done in the first place to get 122bhp and 360Nm. Unfortunatly unless you are going for a complete new loom and aftermarket ecu taking theengine out and onto the bench is a bit OTT. Glyn  |
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8th Mar 2010 5:40pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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REMEMBER!!!
HP and torque are referred at the crankshaft not at the wheels..... (all cars, all types) at STD environment conditions (NN°C, xyz mmHg atmospheric pressure, abc % of humidity,.....) Are the correction parameters inputed on the bench SW? if yes are they corrects????? Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition 
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8th Mar 2010 7:28pm |
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| Ads90 Member Since: 16 Jun 2008 Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds Posts: 808 
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Anyone remember reading a huge discussion/argument on LRnet few years ago between a guy who claimed his TD5 was the fastest on earth, and another who wanted to prove him wrong? (May have involved a certain air-intake device which I'm too wary to mention)!
Seems the only fair way (apart from a bench of course) is to get a standard vehicle and chipped example on a rolling road one after the other, not scientific, but you'll get a decent bhp/torques comparison at the wheel... |
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9th Mar 2010 9:56am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610
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As 'a layman and a customer' should I really be concerned as to how the actual final figures were derived? On a bench, engine out/engine in, rolling road or 1 in 10 downhill gradient with a tail wind? Personally I think not! My opinion only admittedly! I was informed 30 extra nags and 80nm of extra torque that would improve the driving experience. 'Pays your money takes your choice!'
With all the sales pitches the end result for me after spending my hard-earned was indeed a new driving experience that initially seemed like I had a rocket up my ar5e with an element of guarantee it was not going to be to the detriment of the engine and better fuel economy to boot, what's more my annoying 82mph limiter also disappeared! Result! Some 13 months later I am still happy, engine still runs and I do have marginal better economy, the sun is beginning to shine and Summer is just around the corner, happy days or what? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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9th Mar 2010 11:05am |
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| DAZ110 Member Since: 06 Dec 2007 Location: East Sussex Posts: 2025 
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Well said K9F
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9th Mar 2010 12:38pm |
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