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rich Member Since: 08 Dec 2012 Location: automotive trim tech trim shop Posts: 264 |
I'm no expert but it sounds some what like its pulling in air from somewhere
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8th Jul 2013 9:46am |
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Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809 |
I would start by bleeding the fuel system - as per you should when changing the fuel filter.
Puma's can be a bit of a pain to start as will not self bleed. When cranking, does the rev counter move? Scarily, I hope you stood out of the way when testing injectors outside of the engine? We are talking an opening pressure of anything up to 1800bar - enough to cut through human flesh!! When the cylinder head was removed, were the injectors put back in exactly the same locations? - as this is critical. If they were not, the injectors will need reprogramming into the ECU. Really you need to bleed the fuel system, check injector coding, do a pump learn and then do a pilot correction learn. If you did need new injectors, which is unlikely - these would also need to be programmed into the ECU! Not just a case of putting them in and away you go. Cape Verde - could visit for a weekend Also - as a side note - Are you sure it was head gasket failure? And not oil cooler failure? Ian IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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8th Jul 2013 12:31pm |
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sense of adventure Member Since: 11 Nov 2011 Location: warwickshire Posts: 147 |
Also - as a side note - Are you sure it was head gasket failure? And not oil cooler failure?
Ian[/quote] Do you mean egr cooler Ian? |
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8th Jul 2013 10:11pm |
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Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809 |
Nope... I mean oil cooler. The EGR cooler would lead to a pressurised coolant circuit, but would not explain the oil mixed in the header tank. Is quite a common failure on Ford Transits. Bit more info: [URL=] Click image to enlarge[/URL]
Ian Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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9th Jul 2013 6:39am |
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RichieRich Member Since: 07 Jul 2013 Location: Cape Verde Posts: 36 |
Thanks Ian for very informative reply! The mechanic had us stand well back when testing the injectors out of the engine!! Interesting that you mentioned the oil cooler, discovered that issue when researching online but one of the problems over here is lack of experience with the mechanics. Temp gauge to the red, limp mode, oil in water tank they automatically presume the head gasket! So that has now been replaced but must check to see if the oil cooler is faulty!
I don't think the mechanics over here have the tools to reprogramme anything on a Land Rover so that's going to be a massive issue!! Not sure how serious you are about a weekend in Cape Verde (might need to be a week though due to flights) but we've had enough of Cape Verde mechanics and don't trust they won't actually do more harm than good when working on the car so we are seriously thinking about flying over an expert from the UK!! If this is something you would be interested in I can email you more info!? Wish we'd bought a Hilux now!!!! Cheers Richard |
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9th Jul 2013 8:24pm |
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Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809 |
Richard drop me an email to ian@irbdevelopments.com Yes, wouldn't be a problem to fly over - used to do this quite often for a customer in Athens. Ian IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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10th Jul 2013 7:35am |
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SiWhite Member Since: 19 Jan 2010 Location: North Hampshire Posts: 455 |
My knowlege of the Tdci is merely a fraction of Ian's - but here goes.
I would try a full fuel system bleed, and after that I would advise checking the fuses in the vehicle. I have spent a number of days trying to diagnose a sensor issue on my Tdci (including replacing said sensor!) only to discover I had a blown 5a fuse. A quick 5 minute check - but it might save you some dramas. On an aside - I highly recommend Ian as a tech... My blog - www.anacreinhampshire.blogspot.co.uk 110 TD5 BuildHERE - sold! 110 Tdci Build HERE - sold! Passat Alltrack - 4x4, auto, 45mpg, gloriously comfortable - but not a Defender! |
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10th Jul 2013 8:14am |
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RichieRich Member Since: 07 Jul 2013 Location: Cape Verde Posts: 36 |
Hello Simon, thanks for your reply, mechanic checked all fuses as far as I know and all good. Ian, going to email you with more info this morning. Thanks to all for your feedback really appreciate it. Cheers, Richard
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10th Jul 2013 8:23am |
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miket Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Peak District Posts: 143 |
It's a long shot but my tdci wouldn't start a few weeks ago. It would turn over fine, fuses were good, didn't have any faults recorded but had low pressure on the fuel rail. It turned out to be a dirty crank sensor.
Good luck Mike |
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10th Jul 2013 8:03pm |
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RichieRich Member Since: 07 Jul 2013 Location: Cape Verde Posts: 36 |
Hello Ian, just wondering if you received my email I sent a couple of days ago? Thanks, Richard
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12th Jul 2013 8:16am |
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diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6092 |
I had the oil cooler fail in my 90 (Td5 though) , gave similar results. and wouldn't show its messy and ugly head until the engine got "hot" and the cooler thermostat opened.
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12th Jul 2013 12:24pm |
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Kevlar Member Since: 28 Oct 2020 Location: Prague Posts: 78 |
I know this is an old thread but was the issue resolved ?
I'm currently facing exactly the same scenario. Checked everything, bled the fuel multiple times and engine refuses to fire up Thanks Kev |
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4th Dec 2020 7:49am |
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Barrytilt Member Since: 27 Oct 2021 Location: Cape Town Posts: 1 |
Hi did you manage to fix have the same issue, even put a known good ecu,immobiliser,injectors new cam and crank sensor checked all the fuses still no diesel from injectors.
Any ideas |
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27th Oct 2021 4:54pm |
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Kevlar Member Since: 28 Oct 2020 Location: Prague Posts: 78 |
In my case it was a faulty crank sensor ( even though it was new) I put the old one back in and it fired up nicely.
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27th Oct 2021 7:22pm |
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