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Tim seymour



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Is there some one in aust that has fitted a provent catch can to their defender puma because the best place to mount it is on the other side from the turbo near the heater but the breather comes out on the turbo side and everthing is different to the english defenders hope you can understand cheers tim Sad Cess the Taswegian
Post #244259 17th Jun 2013 10:29am
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ZeDefender



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Is yours a 2.4? Sorry if I'm being thick but I have a German model and everything fits on the turbo side - is there a 3rd "Oz" build-type? Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
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Post #244287 17th Jun 2013 12:05pm
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rossy



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never heard of this mod before. If you do regular oil and filter changes is it really necessary ? Admittedly it sounds logical so why is it not fitted during design/manufacture ? Confused
Post #244395 17th Jun 2013 6:07pm
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vogue se



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Some 20 years ago I made for my RRC VM also an oil catch tank from an old air press filter. An Industrial, rather big type. In and out are easy to connect.I drilled a lot of 3mm holes in the brass filter element to avoid pressure. It was a good solution and easy to clean.
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ZeDefender



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@rossy - it actually has nothing to do with the oil or filter changes.

This is shamelessly adapted from someone elses text...

In the Puma engine (at least), excessive blow-by (leakage past the piston rings) of air and fuel vapor creates a positive pressure in the crankcase. There is a valve on the engine block which releases this pressure sending the oily mist back into the air intake just before the turbo where it is sucked in and sent into the intercooler. One hopes that some of it is burned in the turbo... but perhaps that isn't such good news either. On the positive side it requires zero maintenance... unless you include the turbo and intercooler. It may contribute to a dirty MAP.

The oil catch can allows the oil to condense, leaving clean(er) air to go back into the turbo. However, it needs emptying every now and again which may be a hassle for the "average" customer (and probably ludicrously expensive if you ask the stealer to do it).

Verbal diarrhoea over Wink

p.s. well, not quite - I just removed mine ready for the service tomorrow Wink and there's a good 1/5 can full after 4 months (admittedly I drive a lot and quite hard). Some may say it's pointless but it's enough to make me smile Smile Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
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Post #244464 17th Jun 2013 8:29pm
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excossack



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I guess this would also be the same method/setup on a Td5 ? 1999 Defender TD5 110

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Post #244473 17th Jun 2013 8:50pm
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pope10001



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Quick question if if may?

Why after making several lovely oil breather catch tanks are you routing the a pipe back into the turbo at all? So long as there is a catch tank, you could just leave the catch tank to vent to the atmosphere and block up the hole that goes back into the Turbo.

Regards,

Mark
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ZeDefender



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Just in case it isn't 100% efficient - stops drips (yeah, I know about all the other oil in some engines) and stops the oily smell from the gas that passes through. Also leaves all the original pipework, including connector, in place and obviates the need for blocking off a hole...

Doesn't need to be connected, just "tidier" Thumbs Up Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
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Post #244525 18th Jun 2013 6:18am
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Tim seymour



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ZeDefender wrote:
Is yours a 2.4? Sorry if I'm being thick but I have a German model and everything fits on the turbo side - is there a 3rd "Oz" build-type?
The aust defenders are right hand drive so the power booster for the brakes is on the turbo side which makes it difficult to find a place for the catch can. Have you any idea if the breather from the top of the engine can be swapped to the other side so I can mount the catch can in the same place as yours. Cheers tim. Cess the Taswegian
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pope10001



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Thanks Ze, I'm sure it could be made to look tidy Wink

I'm just confused why anyone would want to connect it back up, after seeing the state of my standard setup, the hose was dripping with oil, the turbo was gunked up and the intercooler had a significant amount of oil in it as well. It must be better for the engine if it wasn't reattached?

Just my thoughts.... Wink Wink

Regards,

Mark
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ZeDefender



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Tim seymour wrote:
ZeDefender wrote:
Is yours a 2.4? Sorry if I'm being thick but I have a German model and everything fits on the turbo side - is there a 3rd "Oz" build-type?
The aust defenders are right hand drive so the power booster for the brakes is on the turbo side which makes it difficult to find a place for the catch can. Have you any idea if the breather from the top of the engine can be swapped to the other side so I can mount the catch can in the same place as yours. Cheers tim.

Aha - sorry, my misunderstanding Rolling Eyes Both the OP and I have Euro-Pumas with the steering wheel on the wrong side. Not sure about re-routing the hose - presumably it should always be angled downwards to prevent any condensed oil from running back to the valve (or maybe that doesn't matter). I'm looking at a picture of a RHD and it's pretty tight (I thought mine was bad!). Hopefully someone else with a RHD can help?

Pope - true Thumbs Up Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
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Post #244631 18th Jun 2013 12:57pm
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Swollock



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Has anyone tried the cyclone breather unit fitted to 200 & 300TDI.

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tuesdayfox



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Tim seymour wrote:
ZeDefender wrote:
Is yours a 2.4? Sorry if I'm being thick but I have a German model and everything fits on the turbo side - is there a 3rd "Oz" build-type?
The aust defenders are right hand drive so the power booster for the brakes is on the turbo side which makes it difficult to find a place for the catch can. Have you any idea if the breather from the top of the engine can be swapped to the other side so I can mount the catch can in the same place as yours. Cheers tim.


Hi Tim, any luck to fit one to a puma?

CHeers
Martin
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K9F



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Martin,

I fitted one to my Puma. Several methods and places to fit contained in this thread.

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic26798.html?highlight=provent


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