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| d j hutton Member Since: 30 Jul 2009 Location: Dorset Posts: 1044   
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I'm pretty sure that's illegal, but my 'old neighbour' found it worked nicely in his diesel van
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6th Jun 2013 8:47pm |
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| Lou Sparts Member Since: 15 Apr 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 1501  
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Do not run this in your Puma it will wreck the high pressure pump as it does not have enough lubricity to lube the pump.
Apart from being illegal as no fuel duty has been on it,it,s just not suitable for modern diesel engines. I beleive kerosene was used to do the development work on the Td5 injection system but only because it accelarated the wear and shortened the test time required. I,m sure one of the neighbours would buy it off you. 2005 Td5 90 XS Steve |
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6th Jun 2013 9:12pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372 
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Quite apart from the risk to your engine, the financial consequences of doing this are too great to risk. HM Revenue & Customs are very proactive in clamping down on the use of untaxed fuel, and have very draconian powers of entry, search, and seizure (far more than the police). It really isn't worth the risk.
It will probably be fine in an older diesel engine only used off-road, such as a genny or old tractor. |
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6th Jun 2013 9:27pm |
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| Lou Sparts Member Since: 15 Apr 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 1501
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If you were to use it off road in some sort of plant it would be a good idea to add some engine oil to it to increase its lubricity.
Heating oil is known as 28 second oil and diesel is known as 35 second oil as this is the amount of time it takes to run through a viscosity cup.Adding engine oil to heating oil will bring up the viscosity and therefore its lubricating properties.As said previously probably alright for an old tractor or similar. 2005 Td5 90 XS Steve |
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6th Jun 2013 9:39pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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If customs would check you on the road here and find the slightest trace of untaxed fuel as used in farming equipment, they would simply calculate your theoretical total fuel consumption over the entire life of the car basis the odometer figures and basis LR official Defender fuel consumption figures, calculate the amount of tax on 100% of all those liters you supposedly have used since new, multiply that amount X2 as a fine, and send you the bill for that amount plus some more for their expenses...... Running untaxed farmer fuel is risky business I would say. You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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7th Jun 2013 4:08am |
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| AndyS Member Since: 18 Aug 2012 Location: London Posts: 595 
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I'm pretty sure it's legal if you pay the tax, HMRC don't mind you making your own (from chip fat for example) as long as you pay the tax.
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalW...e=document However, the above page says:
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7th Jun 2013 4:44am |
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| NoDo$h Member Since: 18 Aug 2007 Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset Posts: 972
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But this isn't a fuel substitute or additive., it's a refined fuel produced and sold under a different taxation class.
No is the simple answer. You can debate the pros and cons and put forward wierd and wonderful schemes all you like all you like, but the answer is still no. Otherwise people would declare tax on a couple of hundred litres of red (agricultural) or white (heating kerosene) at the start of the year, then run on it all year long with a copy of their "declaration" in their back pocket. If anyone thinks they have a clever scheme that beats this, be assured HMRC have seen it all before and will nail your arse to a door  
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7th Jun 2013 6:35am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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I agree that it's not even worth considering, particularly as HMRC can nab your vehicle if you're caught with it!
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalW...4#P36_1845 5. The law 5.1 Offences and penalties Offences You may be liable to - civil penalties under Section 9 of the Finance Act 1994 or an Excise wrongdoing penalty under Schedule 41 of Finance Act 2008. your vehicle (or engine) being seized and forfeited. if your conduct involves dishonesty, a penalty of up to 100% of the duty evaded may be imposed. If you: misuse or supply oil (other than fully duty paid fuel) for use as fuel in a road vehicle misuse or supply rebated kerosene for use to propel an excepted vehicle or as fuel in an engine (other than to provide heating) or mix any rebated or duty free oil with any oil on which no rebate has been allowed. |
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7th Jun 2013 7:24am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 
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so ignoring the tax implications as presumably you could register and pay the fuel duty?
what are the known mechanical implications and is there an accurate means of additives available to remedy and possible issues? |
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2nd Jul 2015 8:37am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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Simple answer
dont bother sell it to someone with oil heating |
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2nd Jul 2015 9:38am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298
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hmmm
you know me better than that.........whats the complicated answer tho ? only joking  |
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2nd Jul 2015 9:51am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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by the time you muck about getting it out of tank into two 45 gallon drums , transport it , put it in another tank , you need to leave it standing for a week after moving it to let the crap settle , lose a set of clothes because you will end up with it all over them
be honest your be lucky to give it away! been there done it ! |
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2nd Jul 2015 10:01am |
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| jomara Member Since: 26 Oct 2009 Location: Lanarkshire Posts: 1790  
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Buy an oil fired workshop heater and burn it yourself or find a friend with a suitable waste oil burner.
As Munch said above the bottom of the tank will be full of sludge and debris which will cause all sorts of problems if it gets into a boiler. 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon 1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto 2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone 2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE |
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2nd Jul 2015 12:05pm |
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| Bows Member Since: 07 May 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 513  
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The original post is referring to the use of kerosene as a diesel additive. Additives are added in very small amounts. It's a totally different scenario to running your engine on it. I don't know of its values as an additive, but I think I'm right in saying that it burns hotter than diesel. 2006 TD5110 station wagon
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2nd Jul 2015 6:00pm |
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